Honeywell Lyric Security Controller

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Honeywell lyric controller encrypted wireless security system
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The Lyric controller is the most advanced security system that Honeywell has ever made. Compatible with all SiX, 5800 and Lyric series parts, this unit is Alarm Grid's most popular option for home security. Get yours today and experience the most advanced security system that has ever been sold.
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The Lyric Controller is Honeywell's premier security and automation control panel in the form of a 7.0 inch graphic touchscreen keypad. Similar to other alarm systems such as Honeywell's LYNX Touch series or 2GIG's Go!Control series, the Lyric Controller is a self-contained system that integrates everything it needs into the keypad. However it is the first wireless alarm system to offer fully encrypted (128-bit AES) wireless technology between peripheral sensors. Currently, the only compatible sensors that support the encryption technology are Honeywell's new SiX series sensors. They use a 2.4GHz WIFI signal to communicate bi-directional signals to and from the Lyric Controller. The controller is able to poll for live battery and RF signal levels from any enrolled SiX sensor. These accurate readings are available locally on they keypad and even remotely on Honeywell's updated Alarmnet 360 server.

Physically, the Lyric touchscreen looks very clean and is equipped with an integrated camera for snapshots based on customizable system operations. Yes, you can trigger a photo to be taken upon disarm! These can be uploaded to Total Connect and generate email/text alerts as well. Unlike its predecessors, the Lyric Controller now has built-in WIFI and Z-Wave modules. This means that the system is capable of connecting to your WIFI network and building a local Z-Wave mesh network, right out of the box! The only communication module that requires a separate purchase is a cellular communicator.

The Lyric Controller is the first of Honeywell's all-in-one wireless alarm panels to support a CDMA radio which means it will work with Verizon. The Lyric-CDMA will be popular for those in areas where AT&T may be marginal. The Lyric-3G cellular communicator is designed to report signals on the 3G AT&T network. However if you have AT&T coverage in your area, the LYRICLTE-A is our recommended communicator since it uses AT&T's newer faster LTE network. Although WIFI communications can be used standalone for monitoring, the cellular path is by far the most reliable since it does not rely on any local routing equipment or AC power. Honeywell designed a brand new way to install the cellular modules while the system is still powered without opening up the panel. There is a new side compartment designed to cut local power when you initiate the cellular install in panel programming. This makes it easier to add cellular communications after the system is already configured on WIFI.

The Lyric controller was named a "controller" since it is much more than a security panel. It is also a robust automation controller that supports up to 232 Z-Wave devices in the form of lights, locks and thermostats. For those looking to expand more into home or business automation this panel is exactly what you are looking for. There are customizable scenes, rules and schedules with triggers ranging from system operations like arming/disarming to zone faults. Another new feature that the Lyric offers on the automation side of things is the ability to integrate the Lyric Thermostat. This is the first time a WIFI thermostat can be integrated into automation scenes on a Honeywell alarm system. It is also the first WIFI thermostat to be available for remote access with the Total Connect 2.0 interactive app.

All in all, the Lyric Controller is designed for alarm owners who are looking to future-proof their alarm system and push to the very edge of alarm and automation technologies. This device is also flash-upgradeable so when new features are released your alarm company can push down the newest firmware. There are easy ways to integrate wired system infrastructures through the form of wired to wireless translators. In other words, just because you have an existing wired system that does not mean you should not upgrade to the Lyric. You can use the majority of your wired peripheral sensors (excluding life-safety devices) and simply connect them to a converter like the 5800C2W that will transmit them to the Lyric.

The Lyric comes with a transformer but no cabling included. Check out the LT-Cable for easy power cycling and installation. If you do not wish to wall mount your panel the LCP500-DK is a great desk mount option!

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There's nothing in programming or setup that could cause a sensor fault to be delayed at the panel. Also, whether it's a wired sensor activating a C2W zone or a SiX wireless device, either way, the Lyric is acting based on an RF signal received at the panel. It's possible there's some type of RF interference in your home that's somehow delaying certain sensor actions but as far as I know, or have ever seen or heard about, if a sensor fault is "missed" by the panel due to RF issues, it wouldn't all of a sudden fault/chime a second, or 3, later. If you are able to continue to test the zone faults when disarmed and catch the delay on video that would be our best chance to show it to Honeywell for them to see if it's something that warrants a new system or if something else is going on.
Hello. Each time i go to try and get a video it seems to work ok. Its random and not every single time we trip a sensor. I tested the alarm and it was triggered immediately so thats a relief. Im wondering if the random chime delay has anything to do with homekit? I thought it was something with the 5800C2W but the same happens with my sixmini sensors. I'm not sure whats causing these random delays.
I haven't seen any video from you yet. Have you been able to capture one? Also, have you ever tried testing a real alarm to see if there's a delay from when a zone set for Perimeter is opened to when the system alarm goes off? Make sure you'll fully armed before opening the Perimeter zone for an accurate test. If you're able to see a delay upon alarm activation, please send us a video of that as well as I'm sure Honeywell would be interested in investigating that happening.
The Lyric can be compatible with Z-Wave plus devices, but as the Lyric Controller has a 300 version Z-Wave chipset, you won't benefit from any of the features of the Z-Wave plus devices. They will all function like regular Z-Wave devices instead of Z-Wave plus devices.
Can I use z-wave plus with the LCP-500?
Hello. Since we've last chatted I've left the screen on with no timeout. While the chiming doesn't stutter as much, this delay from the sensor fault is still present. Do you know if an updated firmware is in honeywells pipeline? Also does this chime delay have a delay on when the monitoring company gets notified? I'll see if I can make a video showing this tonight.
We've already discussed with you how when you have the panel's Backlight Timeout enabled (which you had indicated you did have enabled), the panel has a known issue that causes the chime to stutter or be delayed as the panel "wakes up" from the backlight timeout mode based on the zone chiming. At one point you indicated you had seen it stutter like that on a chime with the Backlight Timeout mode disabled and we had asked you for a video of that happening as we've never seen that before. Are you able to record a short video of that happening (assuming it is) and send that to support@alarmgrid.com? If it actually does work when Backlight Timeout is off, then you can be sure that your issue is not a concern as it's just a matter of the panel chime being interrupted by the screen waking up.
Anyone else having an issue with sensors being delayed with their chime? Since this was installed in December I've always had a 2-3 second delay from when a sensor is faulted and the lyric chimes. It's annoying and a little concerning as well. I have a 5800C2W and this happens on those sensors along with my mini six sensors. Does this mean the alarm won't trigger for these 2-3 seconds? While I do not have service with alrmgrid( I did purchase my equipment through you) my current provider did not see anything wrong with my setup/configuration.
The Lyric comes with a standard 4hr back up battery. You can always purchase the LCP500-24B separately if you want a back up battery that will last longer.
Does the Lyric panel come with the backup battery or do I need to buy LCP500-24B.
I have a combination of SiX sensors and 5800 series sensors. They all show up in the Home (HomeKit) app as individual icons and their status is displayed in the Home app (closed, open, etc.). I don't have a 5800C2W so I can't tell you how that would interface with HomeKit. The lyric controller has its own icon in the Home app as well and displays status such as Off, Home, Away. I also have a HomePod and can arm the system using Siri. You can't disarm with Siri from HomePod as it requires a pin or fingerprint to disarm on an iPhone or iPad.
Homekit is very vague in how it shows the system and it's alarms. From what we've seen, Homekit mainly just shows the Lyric and will only mention they Lyric during an alarm.
Do sensors connected to a 5800C2W show up as individual items in HomeKit when using the Lyric Controller?
Thanks Sterling. I am using SmartThings as my primary controller. I also have a Simon XT which I would like to replace by something more flexible.
We haven't heard anything recently about a Z-Wave Plus version Lyric on the horizon. We were just out at ISC West and saw some new Honeywell platforms being developed though that offer Z-Wave Plus - https://www.alarmgrid.com/blog/isc-west-2018-diy-security-review. The Lyric does have the option to work as a secondary controller and we have had people set it up well with other 3rd party automation systems. It all depends on what you're looking for in terms of reliability though as there are certain quirks to primary/secondary Z-Wave setups. Do you have any system now? If not, I'd suggest emailing support@alarmgrid.com with your main "wants and needs" out of a system for both security and automation and then we can suggest the best option.
Any update on Honeywell's plans with Lyric? I am really interested in a controller which support Z-Wave Plus. Also is Lyric able to function as a secondary Z-Wave controller? Are there any alternatives which provide strong Z-Wave support?
The Lyric Controller does have a built in 85dB sounder. The Lyric does not have a built in glass break detector you have to get that separately.
Does the controller itself have any sensor features. For example does the controller emit a siren and if so what is it's noise level. Does the controller have a glass break detection feature. I know there are specific sensors for this, but I was wondering if the controller itself had this, I know it has video.
We haven't heard of any V2 Lyric systems coming but Honeywell is not always as communicative with us about new system as we'd like. We will have a team out at ISC West next week which is the biggest security trade show and we should know a lot more about upcoming systems after that trip. Keep an eye on our blog as we'll be posting about all the new products and services we see out in Vegas.
thanks. Did I see that there is a version 2 of this controller that's being tested? I think I read that rumor somewhere.
This Link should help: https://www.alarmgrid.com/blog/honeywell-lyric-controller-finally-homekit-compatible. Also the Lyric has a built in Z wave module that allows it to work with multiple Z wave devices like Lutron / Savant.
Hello - was wondering if anyone knows (or cares to speculate) if the Lyric controller will ever get some of the integrations that the Vista now has? Allowing it to work with Lutron or Savant or any of the other smart home technologies?
I tend to think its more work than it's worth but if you want to wire a couple contacts to the panel I would recommend the 945T: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-945t for a surface mount solution and the 944T: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-944t for recessed option. There are no loops on zones 1 and 2 since they are allocated specifically for wired door/window contacts. The sensors do not come with cable. If you do not have cable run to the door locations (a bit confused about how your power cable would come into play here) you will need to run 18/2 (18AWG, 2 conductor) cable to the doors. Otherwise you can just get the wireless sixminict: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-sixminict. We carry 5 packs too: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-sixminictpk5. If you have any other questions feel free to post them here or email us at support@alarmgrid.com
Thanks Frank, I'll go with the AT&T LTE radio. One more question, I happen to have 2 doors along the path of my Lyric power cable. Figured it would be cost effective to utilize the 2 wires zones the Lyric panel offers. From what I've read, I just need a "Type A" wired sensor? If so, what do you recommend I get (just need basic sensor for the 2 doors, no loop, etc..)? Would I need to purchase cable as well (guessing the sensors don't come with any). If I do, what do I need to get? Thanks again!
Hi Momo! Sorry for confusion and thanks for pointing out that mistake on our product description. We have updated the language as to avoid this confusion again. The only LTE module is the AT&T version at this time. There should be a Verizon version in the future but we do not have any exact time on that. If the AT&T network is marginal in your area you can setup the Lyric-CDMA: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lyric-cdma. Although we have discontinued on our site we can still sell them. We removed them because they must activated by June 2018 or they will not work. Honeywell set a cutoff date for newly registered CDMA radios since Verizon announced the CDMA sunset in 2022. If you think the AT&T LTE will be OK I would recommend that over the CDMA or 3G units. It will last much longer and offer faster transmission speeds assuming it can acquire a cell signal. Feel free to email us at support@alarmgrid.com if your area will only support Verizon and we can figure out a way to get you the Lyric-CDMA.
Hi, within your product page for the Lyric controller, you state " If you have Verizon LTE coverage in your area, the LYRICLTE-A works on Verizon's newer faster LTE network.". Yet if you select the link given, it sends you to the AT&T LTE radio. I was wanting to purchase a Verizon LTE communicator, since Verizon's LTE signal at my house is excellent. Is this available for purchase? Seems like your product page needs to be corrected, regardless.
I have the Lyric Controller and also have a Skybell. The Skybell is not seen by my Apple Home App at all.
Unfortunately, only US carriers at this moment. You could always use the built-in wifi module to connect to WI-Fi and be able to use all of the features the Honeywell Lyric has to offer.
hi, I am from Europe. I interested in this model but I can't find any distributor here....you ship internationally? Is it possibly to use any sim card or only the US carriers working? Thanks
Nope, the Lyric will most likely not present the Skybell as a HomeKit item.
If I get a skybell doorbell, will Lyric Controller present it as a homekit item in the Apple Home app, as the other various sensors are?
Got it. Thank you Dylan!
The 5821 combined with the 470PB will work as a flood detector with the Lyric. When you connect these to the Lyric they can still send the alert to your Total Connect application. Another plus is the fact that you can set up a scene on the Lyric to shut off a water valve if the flood detector is tripped.
I purchased a Lyric Security system from AlarmGrid and was wondering if you can share which water leak sensors are compatible with the Controller? What would be an advantage of linking these to the Lyric Controller vs those detectors that send alerts directly to a phone? Can the system trigger a remote water valve to shut off automatically if a water leak is detected?
1. Yes, the Lyric supports the Kwikset Z-Wave locks. 2. No, unfortunately the Homekit integration only allows control of other Homekit automation devices and Z-Wave devices would still need to be managed through the panel and/or Total Connect 2.0 service which requires some level of monthly fee.
I have a first generation 2GIG GoControl system in my home and I use a "Kwikset 910 Z-Wave SmartCode Electronic Touchpad Deadbolt". Some questions: 1. Will the Lyric Controller (along with TC2) manage this Z-Wave Deadbolt/Lock? 2. Will my Apple HomeKit Home app "see" this Z-Wave Deadbolt/Lock once the Lyric controller is added as an accessory to HomeKit? Obviously Z-Wave is not HomeKit compatible but I am wondering if Z-Wave devices that are managed by the Lyric Controller can "then" be managed by HomeKit? 3. If the answer to question 2 is "yes", can I ask Siri to lock and unlock this z-wave deadbolt? Thanks!
Yes, any 5800 device that doesn't use the House ID feature is compatible with the Lyric. The Lyric ships with a 4 hour backup battery in the unit. Here is a link to the 4 hour battery: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lcp500-4b Here is a link to the 24 hour backup battery: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lcp500-24b
I have an old honeywell panel with 5800 series pir and window sensors. Can i change the control panel for this lyric, and will it be compatible with my sensors?? I cant find the backup battery for the lyric controller. As I understand I only need the lyric controler, the sixsiren, my 5800 wireless sensors, and thats it??
I doubt that the Lyric will directly integrate with IFTTT. The Lyric Controller is defined as a professional, UL Listed security panel which limits the ability to directly connect to open-source, third-party setups like IFTTT. You can already use IFTTT indirectly by using email notifications from TC2 as triggers for other supported automation devices.
Will the lyric controller get IFTTT? Looks like honeywells newest alarm "smart home security system" will have IFTTT. Would be nice if we could get that. Right now I can have my Garage door close at midnight through lyric just in case I leave them open on accident and go to bed. A push notification like through IFTTT would be a nice option and then I could just close use Total Connect to close it. Even better if I could have both and have the IFTTT send the message. Then if I dont manually shut it still have the command to close at my set time. I could set the IFTTT say at midnight and the auto close at 12:10. I have the 5877 GDPK relay for control and I am using a 958 overhead door contact paired to a 5816 as the transmitter for open/close. It works slick. I like that fact that my garage doors now can be monitored.
There are ways of "associating' the 3-way switch with the master switch with certain controllers. The Lyric Controller does not really do that at this point. If you have a traveler wire you can just leave the old "dumb" non-z-wave 3-way switch installed OR you can setup a secondary controller like a Smartthings Hub which is capable of making these associations.
Sorry to hear that, we've had a god amount of customers give us negative feedback on the schlage locks. Possible the issue could be with the lock, we usually recommend yale or kwikset.
Hopefully someone here can help me figure this one out. I have started adding home automation to my Lyric panel - simple things like garage door, lights, thermostat, etc... Everything was going great until I added a light switch that had an 'add on' switch (the original circuit was a three way for the foyer light'. The main switch, the add on switch, and the panel can control the light just fine. If I use the panel to control the light, the panel reports light status correctly. if I use the main switch to control the light, the panel also reports status correctly. If I use the add on switch, the panel didn't get the memo. I believe that the add on switch doesn't push out an update to the panel like the main switch does. I am told that I can overcome this by having the panel 'poll' this switch on a periodic basis. Here is my problem. Using the panel front panel, I can't find any way to explain to the panel that I want it to poll this switch. Does anyone know how to explain to the panel to do this? Thank you, -J Oh, the switches are the GE 12727 main switch and the GE 12728 add on switch.
homekit sucks, it has always been spotty with my schlage front door lock
Yeah it is! Check out our blog regarding the update: https://www.alarmgrid.com/blog/honeywell-lyric-controller-finally-homekit-compatible.
Homekit update available now!
This system looks really cool. It’s still so uncommon to find encrypted systems on the market. Armorax has a touchscreen and a non-touchscreen version of an encrypted security system and it is so reasonably priced!
FYI. In order to manage inclusion/exclusion as secondary controller it must be triggered from software running on pc (after plugging it into pc via usb). I used zensys zwave controller. The button on the stick itself is good for including client devices only.
Sounds good thanks!
Thank you for the kind words. We did find that reference on the Apple page, so hopefully that lends credence to the idea that HomeKit support will really be here in December.
https://www.apple.com/ios/home/accessories/ Big thanks as well to AlarmGrid- I've been very happy with the entire experience. Ordering and shipping were quick- the expert videos were easy to follow (and very much appreciated since the instruction manual was clearly meant for a commercial installer). Saved $1,000 over the lowest dealer quote for the same system and have a much more extensive set of sensors. Monitoring service has been prompt, professional and overall great customer service. I was impressed by the call to let me know our power was out- Couldn't ask for more!
Honeywell recently mentioned a December release of the Lyric panel firmware that would finally unlock the Homekit integration capability and the Apple page updating is a positive sign that it may finally be around the corner. There is no new firmware available yet on AlarmNet to push to a Lyric to unlock the Homekit today though and once we know more, we'll be blogging about it right away.
We heard from Honeywell that it was coming in December and the fact that the Apple page updated is certainly an encouraging sign that they may actually hit that expected timeline this time. We will be blogging about it as soon as we know more.
Apple's website says the Lyric controller is now live with Homekit (or at least it's no longer just listed as "Announced". Is this, indeed, live?
Which Apple page are you seeing that? I'm not seeing the Lyric at https://www.apple.com/us/shop/accessories/all-accessories/homekit?page=1#! but we are still hopeful it's coming. Last we heard was it may be out in December but as they've continually missed the expected release timelines so far, we aren't sure when it will really be out.
In exciting news... Apple's Homekit compatible device page now shows Honeywell controller as a functioning device. It no longer reads "announced" or "coming soon"- small glimmer of hope. Pathetic I keep checking for this- but it is the last piece of the puzzle for total home automation in my residence...
It is annoying, but Honeywell has a pretty good track record for making their new devices continue to work with the old products and vise versa. That being said, I'm not sure what's going to happen with the bi-directional 5800 series stuff...if it will ever be supported on the Lyric. FortrezZ actually makes a Form C relay that I've verified (by calling FortrezZ, not by testing it myself) will work with the Lyric, so if you're looking to do something with a dry contact closure, that should work. It's called the MIMOLite. It'll do some things that are not supported on the Lyric (I'm not sure what all they are) but if you just want a dry relay to change state based on an event on the panel, that should work.
I don't blame you, if it works, might as well try to use it. Let us know if we can be of further assistance.
One of the things that is turning me off about the Lyric is, even if they release a SIX relay tomorrow and I buy it, it might not work with the next generation. One of the nice things about Z-Wave is vendor independence and Lyric ain't that. Thanks for your response.
Thanks for telling me what it is. You are indeed correct that I can't use it. Thanks for your response! And, yes, I plan to get the LTE radio. I've never DIY an alarm system before so I'm just trying to see what I've got. And indeed most of it is no longer useful. But I saw that box and thought, "what the heck is that???". LOL.
You mentioned this on another page of ours. I agree with you completely. However the reason behind this is that Honeywell dropped "House ID" technology which was required to pair the relay to the older style panels. My hope is that they come out with a SiX series encrypted relay that works with the Lyric in a more secure fashion. I imagine that this is just matter of time before some type of relay is supported by the Lyric Controller but I cannot say for sure.
This is a Honeywell communicator for a wired VISTA alarm system. This will not be compatible with the Lyric. The Lyric comes equipped with an internet communicator integrated inside the panel that allows you to transmit signals to the server via WIFI. If you want to add cellular backup I recommend the new LTE radio: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lyric-lte-a
I kind of want a Lyric because it does have a lot of good features. But, its incompatibility with even relatively recent Honeywell wireless devices is annoying. Honeywell has their 5800RL relay module, which works with Lynx but not Lyric. What are they thinking??? Update their stinking firmware on the Lyric and make it work with, oh, you know, HONEYWELL products??? At least!
Place the lyric panel in exclusion mode by going into the Automation Tools. Then press the ID function on your Aeotec device just like you did when including it. The panel should see it and remove it. Then back out of exclusion mode to the home screen.
I'm looking to remove an aeotec z-stick as a secondary controller from my lyric security panel. What is the process to do this?
I am not sure I understand your question. Honeywell informed us that this new generation lock is not supported by the Lyric or TC2 yet. You may be able to include it but it will not work properly. Yale and Kwikset Z-Wave locks and the standard August WIFI lock (with August Connect hub on iOS devices only) will work if you are looking for a solution now.
Damn, I was looking forward to lock the door with the keyfob! I can't see the TC2 cloud integration, are you sure they did not remove it?
Unfortunately, at least at this time, the Z-Wave portion of the August lock is not compatibly with the Honeywell systems that support Z-Wave locks. You can still only use that lock with the TC2 cloud integration using the WIFI August hub. If and when Honeywell has updated their systems to support the Z-Wave portion of the new August locks, we'll certainly let you know.
I am having some problems with the August Smart Lock Pro 3rd Generation. It is Zwave enabled but when I add it to the Lyric controller, I get a message on the controller "some locks still not ready". The lock shows up in the list of automation devices, I can try to lock/unlock in the app but it does not do anything. However it tracks correctly the lock and unlock in the events list. Any suggestion?
To my knowledge the wireless self contained panel are locked down to this type of third party automation integration. Honeywell says this is for security purposes. I have seen customers use TC2 email alerts to trigger automated rules using IFTTT but that is the only approach I have seen to be successful.
Anyone have experience integrating a Lyric or TC2 into an automation app, such as Open HAB or Home Assistant? I know a 20p with Envisalink or AlarmDecoder can work well, but can't find anything on binding the save between Lyric (or Lynx for that matter) with the open home automation software available. Thinking even if on returning status via TC2 might be a good start.
Hi Mike, we have created the warranty replacement for you. If you check your email you should see the instructions with how to ship the defective Lyric controller back. Thank you for keeping us updated!
It just happened again today same issue. Just a white screen and red arm buttons and home buttons below are still lit. If you can go ahead and initiate a warranty replacement I would appreciate it.....
The homekit integration has not been rolled out yet. I am unable to offer any details on the integration until it has been released. Unfortunately Honeywell has not offered us many details on this integration.
Okay, I've updated your account with this email as well so we know it's you.
Is it known yet if the Homekit integration will allow you to control other homekit connected devices from the Lyric Controller? I'd like to be able to control my lights, shades and locks directly from my controller. Non of which are z-wave.
Sterling, I think that is a yes. I use a different email on social media vs the one I am using for my account with you.
We are disappointed that the Homekit integration that was supposed to be out Q1 of 2017 is still not out as well. Unfortunately, Honeywell continues to say the hold up is on Apple's end but that they still expect it to be out at some point in the future. We are continually asking for updates and as soon as we know more, we will certainly be posting about it and as Honeywell still has the integration running on their own internal test panels, we are hopeful that it will be out at some point. On a separate note, are you the same John Gorla we monitor on an alternate email address?
Time to beat the dead horse again...HomeKit...is it time to give up? 10 months into 2017 and nothing except it's been coming any day now since about July. I'm sure eveyone is disappointed with the lack of progress.
Ok thank you and yes I will...
Yes, you can call us or email support@alarmgrid.com if it happens again and you want to initiate the warranty replacement. Please do let us know about any changes to the behavior as you notice them so we can see if there's any other troubleshooting we can do.
This has happened 2 times in the past 2 months. I will keep an eye on it and if it happens again that would be fine to send a replacement. Should I just call in if and when it does happen for the warranty?
How many times did it happen? We can either send you out a new panel as a warranty replacement now or if it seems to be an issue that's no longer occurring, we have noted your account that it's happened and can do the warranty replacement if it starts happening again in the future.
Backlight timeout is not enabled and touching panic or home button do not change the state if white screen...Its been about a week so far since the last time it happened.
Well we certainly haven't had any other units displaying those symptoms so I doubt it was related to the update as we are always pushing the latest updates to our Lyric customers and I assume we would have heard from others with these symptoms if it was a firmware issue. When you say it "acknowledges where you touch" does that mean you hear a beep but the display doesn't change from the all white screen? When it's in this state, do the panic or home buttons below the touchscreen change the display at all? Finally, do you have the Backlight Timeout option enabled or disabled?
My own 2 wire cable (wire is about 4 ft from keypad) , but this has only happened since the update. I can touch the blank white screen and it acknowledges wherever i touch but just no display. I power off and remove battery and it works again for a week or 2.....
Can you detail your power connections to the Lyric? Are you powering the system using the LT-CABLE or your own 2-wire cable? If you aren't using the LT-CABLE, how far is the wire run between the system and the transformer?
Hmm that is not firmware related to my knowledge. Are you using a static IP for the Lyric on your home WIFI network?
I have had my Lyric Controller for six months now and it appears after the last update about month ago it will switch to a white blank screen. Not sure if this is due to update or an issue with the controller? I have to unplug battery and power supply to restart and then it comes back to proper screen, any suggestions???
Unfortunately, the Lyric doesn't have a one touch "Arm Stay Instant" button but they do spell out the Arm Custom option to get armed to that state in the user guide so that is the recommended way to arm to that mode from the panel. Also, as you found, you can do it from the TC2 virtual keypad. We're hoping they bring that functionality to TC2 on the main Security page without having to dive into the virtual keypad.
Is there a way to set "Arm Stay Instant" on the Lync Panel? I have found two "work arounds" for the time being... 1.) Using the Total Connect 2.0 Application I can access the Keypad [UserCode]+7 2.) Using the panel set Arm Custom Instant with Bypass (for the interior motion sensors)
Yes we are anxiously awaiting this release as well. Now that the Total Connect 2.0 app and web upgrades are behind us we are hoping that Honeywell will be focusing efforts on the Home Kit integration.
Still waiting...
Agreed Chad. Unfortunately Honeywell has not updated us regarding the status of the Apple HomeKit. Keep an eye on our blog here: https://www.alarmgrid.com/blog
We will be blogging immediately about any compatibility with Apple HomeKit. There have been no updates from Honeywell lately. Keep an eye on our blog here: https://www.alarmgrid.com/blog
I was wondering the same. IOS 11 out today, good time for the firmware upgrade
Any update on HomeKit?
It comes with the power supply but the LT-CABLE would need to be purchased separately - https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lt-cable.
DOes this system come with the LT power cable and power supply?
The GC3 panel has an integrated Z-Wave module but if you want cellular Alarm.com monitoring service, you'll need a cellular alarm communicator in addition to the system and the wireless sensors. There are different versions available depending on the local cellular network you'd need in your area and you can see the options online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/cellular-alarm-communicators/brands/2gig. The LTEV-A-GC3 is a Verizon LTE option, the CDMAV-A-GC3 is a CDMA Verizon option, and the 3GA-A-GC3 is a 3G AT&T option.
YOu are really helpful sir! last question. I thinkk im going with the GC3, when i make the purchase, I want to use the wireless, also what module for the zwave and Cellular do i need to add to my cart adn anything else besides the sensors and motion detector do i need to purchase?
The Z-Wave siren would be compatible with the 2Gig GC3 panel but just like all the systems we sell, you can't integrate any Z-Wave security sensors with the system. You would need to use Honeywell 5800 Series (https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/honeywell-5800-sensors ) sensors or 2Gig sensors (https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/2gig-345mhz-sensors ).
The Lyric system will eventually integrate with the T6 thermostats and if you don't care about integrating your Z-Wave devices into your alarm system, the Lyric system is a great choice in your case.
Sterling, Since 2GIG and GoControl are basically unde the same company, would the https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.alarmgrid.com%2Fproducts%2F2gig-gc3-345%3Amx_FAxjoZ4KcI2HLS1Oy4A03pUY&cuid=1835766 allow can you use the go control Zwave door sensors with it? https://www.amazon.com/GoControl-Z-Wave-Siren-Strobe-WA105DBZ-1/dp/B00MNYSEKY/ref=pd_sim_421_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=57ED03X6YV7KHVVYCPDE https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XUXYSWU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I notice you sale these on this site also, the siren adn the door sensors? I would purchase them here since i need them.
Currently, I control my Schlage connect door (https://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Connect-Touchscreen-Deadbolt-SmartThings/dp/B00AGK9KUU/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1505144568&sr=1-1&keywords=schlage+zwave+deadbolt) lock as well as my some other minor Zwave light switches. The home automation system allows me to control these items via automation scripts i use if i want to use my alexa and my google home to control the devices. Its a whole nother conversation, if you know what i mean. I honestly just want to be able to use the alarm service as we purchased a new home about 2 weeks ago and it is not wired for a WIRED alarm system or panel. SO of course wireless is the way at this point. We also have the Lyric T6 thermostats up and down stairs and i want to be able to intergrate those into my alarm system and i figured the Lyric Alarm Panel/System might be the good choice.
What Z-Wave devices do you control from the Z-Wave USB stick?
Thanks for the heads up. I do actually use a UZB Z-Wave PLUS USB stick: https://www.amazon.com/UZB-Z-Wave-PLUS-stick-Z-Wave-Me/dp/B00QJEY6OC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1505144009&sr=8-2&keywords=zwave+stick, which allows me to control my zwave devices via my Home Assistant Home atuomation program but i am not sure I can control the 2GIG or Lyric alarm panel with my Home Automation system, but its not as of importance to me if that piece works or not. So you say the GC3 would be the better choice over the Lyric?
The sensors we include in the kits are Honeywell RF sensors that do work with the Lyric. They are not Z-Wave and while the SiX Series sensors work on the 2.4GHz frequency they don't work through your home's WIFI network. They communicate directly with the system's wireless receiver. You can certainly add sensors to the kits, now or later. The Lyric does support WIFI, cellular and Z-Wave as does the 2Gig GC3 (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/2gig-gc3-345 ). Did you plan to integrate with a 3rd party Z-Wave controller? If so, the GC3 may be a better option. No cameras come with the system, but we do offer IP cameras that are supported by both systems. The Honeywell cameras at https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/security-cameras/brands/honeywell work with the Lyric and the Total Connect 2.0 service that you can use to control your Lyric once you are signed up for a no-contract plan (https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring ). The Alarm.com cameras at https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/security-cameras/brands/adc aren't viewable from the GC3 but with an Alarm.com account (requires a service plan like TC2), you'd be able to view them remotely. Another option is to use a 3rd party camera system that's separate but complimentary to your alarm system.
understood i could just use the sensors that come with the system you guys provide. Questions befor purchase: 1. So the sensors that come with the https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lyricpk10-lte-a, how do they communicate with the alarm panel? 2. Are they RF or WIFI? 3. Can more sensors bee added if neded in the future? 4. Also which would be the best system to aquire for home automation, WIFI, Cellular, and Zwave compatibility. I guess I can say i want it all, lol. 5. Camera Options, whats the most amount of cameras that come with the best system? and are they speicific to the honeywell systems or can any IP camera be used or is there a list of compatible camera systems?
We have wireless security system kits that include the Lyric security system online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/wireless-security-systems and any that include a cellular module will be "dual path". As for the GoControl panel, were those 2Gig RF sensors or were they Z-Wave devices? The Lyric can work with 2Gig security sensors but it can't accept inputs from Z-Wave sensors and it doesn't work with that Z-Wave strobe either. It only works to control Z-Wave lights, locks and thermostats.
I want to purchase the newest Honeywell Lyric Security Controller with Zwave technology. I also want the dual path system, with WIfi and Cellular as well as zwave of course. I also have the go Control pack with Two motion sensors as well as 5 door and window sensor and also the included Strobe alarm: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XUXYSWU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 , and https://www.amazon.com/GoControl-Z-Wave-Siren-Strobe-WA105DBZ-1/dp/B00MNYSEKY/ref=pd_sim_421_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=57ED03X6YV7KHVVYCPDE, will these work with this alarm panel or should i look else where. Looking to buy as soon as i can. Thanks in advance for your help.
The SiXPIR is not outdoor rated. The only Lyric compatible outdoor motion detector is the 5800PIR-OD: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5800pir-od
Can the lyric six motion sensor being used outdoor?
finally the chamberlain homekit device is available today, home honeywell will be next.
Yes the iOS beta app went live. The android app is still in beta.
I'm android and have been running the TC2 beta for a while now. I guesss the iOS version went GA?
Yes, as Brent mentioned, Chad was referring to the update of the iOS Total Connect 2.0 app. Do you use iOS devices or Android devices?
Probably referring to the update to the iOS app.
What new app are you referring to?
Yes, we keep asking Honeywell for updates and we keep hearing that the delays are on Apple's end. We are hopeful it's out in the fall.
seems forever delaying. From Q1 to Q2 to Q3, hope it can launch before 2018, so frustrated.
No way for us to correlate these two things but we will be sure to announce anything we hear from Honeywell in our blog.
Honeywell sent notice of a firmware update to the C1 camera this week, so maybe this hints at HomeKit and Lyric integration soon.
We agree the new app has improved and hope the same about HomeKit. No real updates at this time unfortunately.
I'd say it is somewhere in between. Generally speaking Honeywell security systems do not support z-wave sensors like burglary or life safety devices (i.e. motion detectors, door/window contacts and smoke detectors). When it comes to control devices like lights, locks and thermostats we can certainly verify compatibility in advance of purchase for you. Generally I recommend GE, Leviton or Linear for lighting. Yale or Kwikset for locks. Honeywell zwstat for thermostats. The Lyric also supports the round lyric wifi thermostat and should eventually support the new T5 and T6 Honeywell wifi thermostats.
Love the new app. Much faster. Hopefully this means HomeKit isn't too far behind.
Definitely more sleek. Not really, they just replaced it with "Arm Custom". When you arm custom, you get to choose which zones are bypassed, then arm either with Entry Delay, or without.
It is certainly confusing. Technically there is a state in the panel for "stay instant" but there is not button press locally to trigger that state. Two ways to skin the cat in a sense. We do find it odd that Honeywell did it this way. Especially since the delay/instant was a useful toggle icon for away and stay on the Lynx Touch series panels.
I don't actually have a problem with it to be honest. I just found it weird that when I set it via the panel it said "Armed Custom" when i set via TC2 the alarm panel said "Stay-Instant". If "Stay-Instant" is not a state in the panel I would've expected to either receive an error or for it to say "Arm Custom"
The instant stay on TC2 virtual keypad is legacy from wired VISTA panels. They kept it on there since it adds the ability to do instant stay arming remotely. Locally they dropped the delay/instant toggle selection when arming regular stay and away modes. Now you have to do it through the custom arming. I do not know why they dropped it to arm custom but its just an extra button press to accomplish the same thing.
Will any Z-wave device work with the Lyric - or is it trial-and-error regarding compatibility?
New app looks much better. Finally less cartoonish. Did Arm Night Stay go away? Does this have anything to do with upcoming HomeKit integration?
So i'm confused a little bit here. If the only way to accomplish instant arming is to arm custom why am I able to set it to Stay-Instant through total connect? Does that Stay-Instant that is set via total connect not a true "Instant"?
it will say it in small writing on the cable's jacket.
Is there a easy way to determine what wire gauge was used? I'll have to look at the measurements. I might be pretty close to 10 feet. Thanks
The Lyric does not integrate with any third party cameras including the Netgear Arlo. Currently the IPCAM-WO ( https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-ipcam-wo ) is the only outdoor cam that is supported. It is not HD and will be replaced by a newer HD model later this year. The project model will be the OC1.
Sterling posted the only way to locally accomplish "instant" arming. Use the arm custom feature and select all the zones you want enabled. Then toggle the "entry delay" icon on the bottom left. Keep in mind, if you enable motion detectors and do not exit the space during the exit delay the "auto-stay arming" feature will kick in and automatically arm stay. This will remove any motions from being protected and re-enable the entry delay. Basically, the arm custom mode with entry delay disabled is instant arming. The only thing that differentiates away from stay is motion detectors. By choosing to include motions it will be away-instant (aka Max or Maximum) and excluding motions it is stay-instant (aka instant).
Yes. It says arm away since you technically can involve motion detectors.
Technically Honeywell specifies the following maximum wire length based on the gauge of the wiring: 22 gauge is limited to 10' and 18 gauge is limited to 22'.
Is the lyric system compatible with the Netgear Arlo Pro HD wireless security cameras? I'd like to be able to see camera feeds on the lyric screen. Currently there is not an outdoor Lyric camera from what I can see on the Honeywell website. Thanks
I have been using the system for a while now and I had accepted there was no stay instant option but when I used total connect keypad last night to arm my system. I entered my code and selected instant and the panel said stay-instant instead of arm custom. Is there a way to enable this option on the panel? I looked through all the manuals and can't seem to find that as an option but it must be in there since I used it.
I had a question regarding the power run. If I have an existing low voltage wire that is used to power my DSC 832 panel, can i re-use that wire for a Lyric controller or the additional keypad if the total length is less than 22'? I understand I still have to use the transformer that ships with the Lyric. In one spot, I don't have an outlet where I want to place a keypad, just the existing wire.
No news from Honeywell on this, and no idea what the holdup is.
so there are still no update on homekit yeah? they had been delayed for a long while....
Thanks for clarifying and I'm glad to hear the ST TC2 integration solution is working for you.
Well, yes, it was the first thing I tried. But as I have no Z-Wave devices, it didn't allow me to do anything that I wanted. I could see the Panel in SmartThings, but I believe it just appeared as a Z-wave hub. I started over with a factory reset of my SmartThings Hub for another account related reason, and have not tried to learn it in again. I went a totally different direction with the SmartThings TotalConnect 2.0 integration via software. Right now, I can arm/disarm, but working on getting the sensors so that I can do the automation I would like to do.
So you included the Lyric and it is working as a virtual primary of sorts? Are you able to included devices into the Lyric and have them show up on the Smartthings hub? Happy to hear that you got it working! Thanks for updating us.
Well, the Lyric is setup on TC2... I tried to learn the SmartThings Hub as described here using the Learn Command: https://www.alarmgrid.com/faq/does-the-honeywell-lyric-controller-support-the-samsung-smartthi I could see the SmartThings Hub on the Lyric panel as a secondary controller, however, I couldn't do anything after that. I don't have any Z-wave devices at all. None of the SmartThings devices (including a simulated switch, Hue bulbs, etc) populated on the Lyric. So, I moved on to your suggestion from the phone support call to try the SmartThings integration that they are doing on the software side with Total Connect 2.0 I got that up and running for arm/disarm, but haven't toyed with the sensors yet.
Did you tie in the Lyric with TC2 when it was a Primary controller and then use the Secondary controller feature to then shift it to SmartThings?
UPDATE: I am happy to report that the TotalConnect 2.0 integration with SmartThings allows me to create rules and control my Lyric with SmartThings AND HomeKit (via a Homebridge plugin.) It's not as streamlined as a true HomeKit solution, but for now, it works! Also, they full sensor list isn't available through SmartThings at this time, due to a code re-write, but I will either wait a short time for them to re-integrate that or possible use some of the old code that might still work, but will require a bit more to setup.
Thanks for the reply! I have a SmartThings hub on the way and I will definitely look into that! I really like the Honeywell Lyric hardware, and thanks to your awesome tech support, I now know that there is a new non-flash based Total Connect 2.0 website, and have decided that even if I can't get the 100% integration into my existing home tech, I can always buy some z-wave devices as purely security based automation.
If the devices you are hoping to control are not truly Z-Wave devices, and only HomeKit enabled), you won't be able to setup the scene you were hoping as there will be no way for the Lyric to pass it's security system events to the ST. The only option, outside of waiting for the HomeKit compatibility would be to check out the SmartThings forum where people have found ways to "hack" the code of TC2 so that a TC2 alert can become a trigger for the ST. This should meet your needs if you can figure out that programming on the ST side.
Hi, I got a new Lyric system and know that HomeKit compatibility hasn't been released yet, but was assuming that it would integrate into my home which all of my automation is HomeKit enabled. Right now, I cannot do any automation with the Lyric because I don't have z-wave devices. I would really like integration so that, for example, when I open my back door the Hue lights come on. Since we don't know exactly what the HomeKit integration will be, is there ANY way that I can use a z-wave bridge and/or Smartthings to do this?
Not sure about the firmware update. We will have to keep you posted on that. We have your profile tagged and will notify you upon the release date.
Good to know. I'll be looking forward to the release of the version that supports TC2. Will it require a firmware update, do you know? My camera appears to be on v0.97 (05-17-17 release date)
We are still in beta with the C1 for its Total Connect setup. I have not had any of these issues with the TC2 beta app. This must be an issue with the Lyric app.
@Craig Deshler - I just hooked up a C1 camera and I'm having the same issues. Constant motion and sound alerts and the geofencing doesn't function at all. (Camera is always active). Lyric camera app is also quite poorly designed (could be vastly simplified). Looks like this is going to be thrown into the junk bin until Honeywell gets this into a more mature state.
FYI, both the C1and C2 cameras are available on Home Depot's website. C1 shows in stock at my local store too! I'll have to stop in tonight.
Do you know if the Vivint panel has a touchscreen almost covering the full front of the unit (indicating a newer Sky panel) or a touchscreen just in the top right portion of the panel (indicating an older GoControl version panel)? If it was the older panel, your sensors would work with a Lyric. If it was the newer Sky panel, the sensors MAY work with the Lyric and they may not. I would recommend sending pictures of the sensors (with the covers removed) to support@alarmgrid.com if you did have the newer Sky panel and we can confirm for you if they will work or not.
The house we bought has a Vivant system in it and i removed the panel. Anyone know if the sensors are compatible if i buy this Lyric controller
You can use a Lyric for local home automation control without any monthly service plan required. However, if you want to control the Lyric system with the ability to control the included Z-Wave devices remotely from Total Connect 2.0, you would need at least our Self Silver plan which is $15/month at https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring. That plan would be using the panel's built-in WIFI module and if you wanted that TC2 system/Z-Wave control to work when the internet is offline or unavailable, you'd need a cellular module installed in the Lyric and our Self Gold plan for $25/month.
Yes, Honeywell hasn't had much information about why it's been delayed so long. Last we heard, they were waiting on Apple and they expected it to possibly be out by end of July.
In order to use the remote home automation features, do you have to subscribe to a monitoring package? (I.e. To turn on lights from your phone or unlock the doors using the zwave connectivity)
I talked to Customer Support at Honeywell today. They said "nothing new regarding HomeKit. We're waiting on engineering."
The Lyric Controller is 6.65" high, 8.5" wide and 1.3" deep off the wall. Are you interested in purchasing a new Lyric system? If so, we'd be happy to answer any other questions you may have about the Lyric system.
What are the outside dimensions of this controller in inchs ? Thank you.
Yes, that seems to be 18 gauge wire and you can certainly use that wire as long as it's wired between an outlet where the Lyric transformer will be plugged in and the location where you'll mount the Lyric controller. You are limited to twenty feet between the panel and transformer when using 18 gauge wire. As the Lyric is an all-in-one wireless system and works with wireless sensors, you won't need any other wire other than the wire between the controller and the transformer. However, as most pre-wired homes are expecting you to have a regular wired system installed, they may not have pre-wired a location between where you want the Lyric Controller and an available outlet for the transformer so you'd have to double check where you have wires run. I hope this helps and let us know if you have any follow up questions.
Once Honeywell unlocks the ability to use the camera with the Lyric panel and with TC2 service, we'll let you know Brent.
Please if someone can reply ... my house is pre wired with HONEYWELL P/N 1118 2C18 3038058 (ETL) cable (https://www.honeywellcable.com/CatalogDocuments/1118.pdf) will the Honeywell Lyric Security Controller will work with those pre wired cable ??? please let me know what else i need to make sure ??
Yes, they should as they are Z-Wave compatible.
Does the Lyric controller work with Yale assure z-wave lock? As the homekit version is not available yet I am thinking if I should wait until the homekit version releases.
I meant to say "not turning the cameras off when we're HOME". I will contact Honeywell and give you an update as soon as I can.
Interesting, I see now that they did in fact release them on the retail side through their own website. We aren't able to buy them from our Honeywell supplier yet as they won't be available until the beta for using them with TC2 is completed. I haven't had any malfunctions using them through the TC2 in beta so I suggest you contact them directly at 800-633-3991 as they support the end user directly for the products sold on their retail site. They will be much better suited to help you as we haven't even been able to use them with the direct Lyric app yet. If you do get a fix or hear from them that there are known bugs, please report back here as we'd be very curious to know.
I tried to buy them from your site but they weren't available. I bought them directly from the Honeywell Home Store. There was no indication anywhere that they are Beta versions. That said, they are currently malfunctioning (reporting constant movement when there isn't any and Geofencing is not turning the cameras off when we're away) even though the Lyric App is indicating that everyone is "Away". The cameras were working OK until late last night).
Where did you get the C1 cameras? They are currently only available through Honeywell's beta program as far as I know. Did you perhaps get them through the retail beta program? The support for those cameras on Total Connect 2.0 and from the main Lyric panel won't be available until the beta program is over and they are fully released.
I installed two Honeywell Lyric C1 cameras but neither are recognized by the Panel. They also do not appear to be connected to my TC 2.0 account. Any ideas? The cameras work fine with the Lyric App (not HomeKit though).
I do believe you'll lose your Lyric WIFI thermostat control from the panel if your TC2 account is cancelled.
Great, I'm glad to hear it worked!
lyric round thermostats
got it. I was trying to build the scene starting with the sensor (which wasn't shown as an option) then adding lights. As you noted, by starting with the lights then adding sensor to trigger them got me all set. thanks.
Which thermostats are you using? Are they Z-Wave or the Lyric WIFI thermostats or the Total Connect Comfort WIFI thermostats?
What exactly are you trying to setup? If you simply choose some Z-Wave devices with the actions you want, you can then select the "Based on another device" option on the Select Trigger page of the scene wizard to fire off a scene based on a sensor activation.
also. if you were to remove tc would thermostats and scenes added via tc disappear locally?
perhaps i am overlooking something but the only scene options related to security are arm/disarm. i had certain scenes that were triggered by thing like motion sensors.
Once you have an active Total Connect 2.0 account, the local scene control gets muted. Now that you have a TC2 account, you should be able to do all of your scene control from the totalconnect2.com website.
@@sterlingdonnelly:disqus since updating the panel i no longer have the option to create/modify/delete smart scenes locally any more. is this now something they honeywell forces you to have service for?
Yes, that is the behavior we are familiar with Craig. As far as we know, the Lyric round thermostat is the only WIFI thermostat you can control from the panel itself.
I have both the Lyric Controller and Lyric Round thermostat. I can control my Lyric Round from the Controller. Not sure about the other wifi thermostat models from Honeywell. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cd9dd251c16749471b5bf3e1bbafaaf262eb74ec74060ccd2e38c618b967df58.jpg
You can integrate Honeywell WIFI Total Connect Comfort thermostats into a Total Connect 2.0 account so that you'd have control of your Lyric and TCC thermostats from the same app but there's no option for controlling those WIFI thermostats from the Lyric panel itself (at least at this time anyways).
Will the Honeywell Lyric work with Honeywell WiFi thermostats?
At this time, the Lyric doesn't integrate with the Amazon Echo but Honeywell has indicated that they are working on opening up that integration and if/when they do, we'll certainly be posting about it on our site.
Will the Honeywell Lyric work with Amazon Echo Dot home automation?
It sounds like it may be coming by the end of July based on our last conversations with Honeywell. Unfortunately, we are at the mercy of Honeywell and Apple with this new awaited feature and we are just as anxious as you are I'm sure. We will continue to update the site as we hear more though.
Dare I ask if there's any update on HomeKit? Honeywell is close to missing their announced date by a full quarter. (Of course, Chamberlain is just as late with my garage door integration.)
Yes, Honeywell lists the dimensions at 8.5"W (216mm) x 6.65" (169mm) H x 1.3" (33mm) D and you can find that in the data sheet - https://www.alarmgrid.com/documents/lyric-controller-data-sheet.
Mine is 8 1/2" x 6 5/8" and 1 3/8"
Dimensions for the lyric wall unit? Maybe I am blind but I can't find them listed here or at Honeywell. I see it is a 7 inch display so I am guessing the entire unit is fairly large.
Brent, depends on what controls your lights... if its the panel, you seem to be limited right now by the panel itself. Homekit would take care of this, but without TC2 support in IFTTT, you're kinda stuck. If you can find a way to use it there is a TC2 API that takes web calls. It will report statuses, control devices, etc. Might be an option depending on how desperate for this you are. Otherwise sounds like waiting for Homekit might be good. I heard today they just released their software only validation specs which was probably a hurdle to getting the honeywell firmware for it release (since there is no certified hardware to my knowledge).
Our Honeywell rep has said we might see a beta unit of the C1 sometime in the next week or two so I'd expect that to be released in the coming months. The C2 probably won't be released until later this year.
Hello. Any word on when the new Honeywell C1 and C2 IPCAM's are coming out?
Unfortunately, after checking closer, it seems there really is no way to just download the firmware update file and send it to you directly for you to load it via USB as there is a special "key file" required as well and the only way to generate one is to have an active account for your system. I would suggest signing up for service online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring if you'd like to get your system updated to the latest firmware.
I know you'll be able to arm/disarm from Siri and if you have a Z-Wave scene set to function off of an arm/disarm, those scenes would fire off once you ask Siri to arm/disarm. I'm not entirely sure if you'll be able to ask Siri to run a scene specifically though. Unfortunately, Honeywell (and it sounds like it's really coming from Apple) hasn't provided much detail on how the integration will function exactly.
Once HomeKit firmware is available will Siri commands to the panel in turn send commands to z-wave devices associated with the panel?
We have the ticket assigned to someone that is working on getting the firmware page updated and they will let you know once it's available. You could also always try the Self Bronze service and then we can push it remotely if you didn't want to wait for us to get it loaded.
Yes, as long as the panel is connected to WIFI and you have the Self Bronze service with us, you'll be able to have the disarm snapshots stored to your Total Connect 2.0 account and they would be accessible remotely so you could see how did the disarming. Only disarms done at the panel (not ones initiated by TC2) will cause a snap shot.
Quid pro quo
;)
Would the basic self monitoring allow me to receive images by text from the built in camera when disarming?
If you program all your wireless flood sensors as 24 Hour Auxiliary for the Response Type in the zone programming, you could then setup the Smart Scene to trigger when any 24 Hr Aux zone type is triggered so that any flood sensor activating would start your scene.
Yes, it's frustrating to still be waiting for the integration that was supposed to be out weeks ago. We will continue to press Honeywell on the full release date and let you all know once we hear back with confirmation.
I believe he understands that but we are still waiting for Apple to release the HomeKit integration.
You can order it online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lt-cable and you can use the Security Products link at the top of any page on our site to navigate to the various sensor category pages or use the search feature on our site if you have a known model number of a device you'd like to order.
Yes, we are waiting for Apple to sign off on the integration so that Honeywell can release the new panel firmware.
Each 5800C2W can accept up to 9 wired zones and we suggest a 1240 battery (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/ultratech-1240 ) for each C2W module.
just need to wait for Honeywell to release the Homekit update then, I guess... :-)
it was the latter of the two. can you upload the file to the link provided in the email?
I'm looking to add water leak sensors throughout the home (about 20 total), and have a smartscene to trigger a z-wave water shutoff valve if leak is detected with *any* of the sensors. Is there a way to achieve this with one SmartScene, or would I need to create 20 SmartScenes for each zone/sensor?
Apple is a god darn time wasting ball kicking, grave spitting pain in the rear. I love iPhone. But every step of the way to automation they have been an obstacle to HomeKit. The sorry state of HomeKit and the absolute defeat of it as a standard is in fact a display of the total ignorance which Apple represents in this space. They did the same with the chamberlain garage door opener. So we have to wait for Apple to piss on it, and then Honeywell could release the product they had ready months ago.
Where do we get the LT-CABLE
Sterling HomeKit will allow for scenes like he is asking please tell him.
Dude HomeKit will allow you to do it.
Hey is this the version with HomeKit coming?
Hey sterling I bought 2 cdw5800 how many wired sensors can I hook? And also I bought them no battery. What battery can a man get? I don't want some thieving SOB to cut my power and rape me.
I hadn't noticed your reply before as that ticket you replied back on had been assigned to someone else. I did just see it now though. Which of the two contacts that you mentioned was the one that is sending you the camera?
ok. did you see my email reply with the contacts you asked about? there was a question in there for you. also one of those contacts reached out to be yesterday; he is going to send me a c1 to eval.
No, only the Honeywell IPCAMs work with the Lyric at this time and there will be the newer Lyric cameras (C1 and C2) coming out this year. You can, of course, also use a third party camera system in conjunction with the Lyric system and just not have them be integrated in to the panel.
Sterling have you identified any non-honeywell ip cameras that work with the lyric controller?
Feel free to report back here once you have a working solution. We're always curious to hear how our users come up with unique ways to automate their homes.
Great idea for a work-around. Thank you. Time to start some logic diagrams... :)
TC2 doesn't integrate with IFTTT natively but you could certainly setup an IFTTT rule triggered by a TC2 email alert that you'd get from the system.
Hmm. That's disappointing. Do you know if the Lyric (or TC2) includes any sort of IFTT message for armed/disarmed status (or any other way to access the status of the security system)? I may be able to accomplish this outside of the Lyric controller. I have no interest (at all) in controlling lights from my iPhone or from the panel (in fact my wife specifically does NOT want any "obtrusive" gimicky home automation...)
No, unfortunately, at this time the panel doesn't support that type of conditional logic. However, you could set up the regular schedule for the lights and then also setup a TC2 alert when the lights change state when the system is Disarmed or Armed Stay. You could then manually change the lights status via TC2 based on the alert that comes through to you letting you know the schedule ran during the times you didn't want it to. I'm sure this is not the desired setup but with a bit of a manual intervention, it would work.
Cool, thanks - wanted to make sure I put it in the appropriate location. Basically I'm trying to determine whether it is possible to set up a scenario where certain lights will go on/off according to a schedule, but ONLY if the Lyric security is "Armed-Away". When not "Armed-Away" I want to have manual control over the lights (some are wall switches, some are manual switches built into the lights). I would imagine the latter is the trickier (not possible without a work-around).
If you press Security > Tools > enter Installer Code > Program, do you see the Update firmware option?
We were happy to help Craig and I'm glad to hear that despite some sensors showing only one green bar, you aren't getting any actual supervision troubles anymore.
If you go in and out of programming mode too quickly, you'll see an incorrect red signal strength reading. Have you ever had an actual supervision trouble on any of your SiX Sensors Brent? If not, it sounds like your home just has some issues with RF signaling but without the actual supervision troubles, you shouldn't have to worry about range/supervision issues.
You can ask questions on this page if it's relevant to the Lyric system. You can also email support@alarmgrid.com for help as well.
Yes, as Brent said below, the LT-CABLE is not required but we suggest it for the DIYers so that they don't have to go out and source their own wire.
How can I update all my software for the C/P and Six sensors without having monitoring service?
I haven't had any supervisor issues since you helped me with firmware update when you and I spoke on the phone a week or so ago. Still only "one bar" on a couple of the sensors but still is working OK. Thanks for all your help
Where is the best place to post questions about using zWave for home automation? I have some questions about setting up some lighting...
I just installed a system yesterday and I'm having similar issues. Except I'm in a 1,600 sq ft house on a single level. The farthest sensors (which are about 50' away in a straight line, but through about 4 walls) usually read a single bar of connectivity, but will throw the red alert message occasionally when I am in programming mode. Mine are mounted to wooden doors and Vinyl windows. I have to say I'm a bit disappointed in the range (but in fairness I had to add a second WiFi access point to that room due to poor connectivity to my main access point which is located very close to my Lyric Controller).
If you want a completely self-contained system (e.g. "local noisemaker") with no monthly fees, then the Lyric system probably isn't the best choice for you. The Lyric system was designed to be monitored, so in order to access the system remotely (via the Total Connect 2.0 app or web site) you have to at least pay for the basic "self monitoring" program. If you want more advanced features (such as zWave home automation or cellular backup communications) then you have to step up to higher priced plans. Any of the plans can add central station (third party) monitoring for about $10 a month extra.
I just installed a Lyric controller yesterday - you don't need any special wiring - Any wire suitable for low-voltage DC will be fine. I had some jacketed 18 gauge paired wiring left over from a boat wiring project, and I just used that. You could buy something similar at your local hardware store.
Hi. In addition please tell me if I need to pay for self monitoring, because I just want to monitor my alarm through my computer (or cellphone) at work, using my home internet (using the app).
Hi. I was reading in Lyric paragraph "The Lyric comes with a transformer but no cabling included. Check out the LT-Cable for easy power cycling and installation." What this means? I need to buy those cabling for ac power?
As far as we know, those lights are WIFI (not Z-Wave) and therefore won't integrate with the Lyric system. Once Apple's HomeKit integration is released for the Lyric, other Homekit lights should be able to be tied in (I don't see the Sylvania ones listed as HomeKit compatible though).
Last we heard, Honeywell was saying "any week now" as they were waiting for Apple's final approval on the integration so that Honeywell can release the new firmware.
In regards to z wave lights. Does the lyric controller work with Sylvania osram color z wave lights? Would I be able to change the color or just turn them on or off and set a schedule? Would I need to get the sylvania osram hub? Just trying to avoid having to use multiple apps for everything and keep everything as streamlined as possible.
Any new update on Homekit compatibility? May? June?
Yes, the integration will be made available using a panel firmware update (no new hardware needed) once Apple gives final approval.
So on the hardware part, it's already home kit ready? with that whatever chip? All we are waiting for is just the software update from Honeywell or Apple?
Honeywell is still saying that they are waiting for Apple to sign off on the new firmware that will allow for the HomeKit integration. We expect it to be released in the next month or so.
Great, I'm glad to hear you got it setup in a way that works for you!
We hope it will be out in the next month or 2 but it has already been delayed from Honeywell's original expectations (it was supposed to already be out) and they haven't given us a new exact ETA. They said they are waiting on Apple's final approval for the release. We won't have any videos on the integration until at least after it's been released.
Christ. What a joke.
Did all this - works just fine. Basically, I now think of "Stay" as "Day" and "Night Stay" as "Night." I just bounce between those. Gates are included at night.
Thanks for your reply, when do you think the new firmware will be released? Will you do a sample video by then?
We just checked with Honeywell today and they indicated it's still coming "soon" but didn't give a specific ETA. It sounds like they are waiting for Apple to give final approval for the integration so they can release the new firmware.
Any updates on when we can expect the HomeKit firmware upgrade?
The Homekit integration is not yet available but we expect it to be coming soon with a firmware update.
can you show a video how to pair the lyric controller with home kit?
Hey Sterling thanks for all your responses. Any update on HomeKit availability?
Yes, if you select Yes for the Arm Night option within the zone settings for the gate sensors (once you make them Interior Follower), you'd be able to arm Away for all sensors, Stay for all sensors but the motions and gate sensors and Night Stay for all sensors (including the gate sensors) but not the motions. HomeKit does support all three arming modes.
I think you are on to something. But I want Arm Away to ignore the gates and Arm Stay to include. (I.e. When away during day I want the gates excluded, because neighbors open them to trim hedges or UPS comes through to drop a package, but at night I want them included. Is there a way to get them in just for Arm Night Stay?) And what Arm modes will HomeKit support? I'll want to use the Home app for most of my arming and disarming. So if it won't do Arm Night Stay I'll just want to stick to the other 2 modes and have the gates excluded for away and included for Stay, which I will mainly use at night.
You can't arm certain zones using a Scene but the panel does offer some different arming modes so that you could set something up that would work for you. One easy option, would be to change the Device Type to Other for those three zones and then use a Response Type of Interior Follower (which is usually used for motions). With the Interior Follower zone type, the gates would be disabled in Stay mode and on in Away mode. Would that work for you?
Can I create custom arm "scenes" and save them? I know I can do this ad-hoc. But i'd like to create an "Arm Day" scene that ignores my 3 back yard gate sensors, and an "Arm Night" scene that includes them. I'm not seeing where this is possible to do, but it's such a no-brainer it has to be something someone would want.
You can't use Z-Wave sensors to activate the system but it does work with 3rd party Z-Wave control device (lights, locks, thermostats, etc). You need to use Honeywell 5800 Series (https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/honeywell-5800-sensors ) or SiX Series (https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/honeywell-six-sensors ) sensors to actually set off the Lyric system. Also, the Lyric does support a Secondary Controller feature so you could use it with a 3rd party Z-Wave controller but the functionality may be limited depending on what you are looking for it to do with the 3rd party controller.
Can this system be used 3rd party zwave controlers Vera control, and aeotec, and linear door,window contacts?
Did you see we have no-contract plans as low as $10/month (our Self Bronze option at https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring ) for Total Connect 2.0?
Hey sorry I wanted to buy total connect 2.0, but I can't afford it. So don't take it the wrong way that I am using HomeKit to get the remote arm disarm functionality.
Great, let us know how the testing goes.
OK, I will try that if firmware update doesn't fix. You have been very helpful. Thank you Sterling. BTW I just purchased (4) 5818MNL (mini recessed door sensors); a SiXSIR and an AGSGN Yard Sign.
I would check them off the frames as the aluminum may be affecting the RF signaling. If they work reliably with sensor and magnet in your hands, off their existing installation location, you may just need to get a few strips of double sided tape to "pad" them out from the framing so that the sensor and magnet aren't being affected by the aluminum
The SiX sensors are huge so I had to install them "backwards" (e.g., magnet on the frame; main sensor box on the window using adhesive). The window frames are aluminum. I am kind of reluctant to remove the sensors but I can if you think that will help. If I do that I will probably have to buy some double stick adhesive (one sensor already fell off twice).
Going in and out of programming too quickly can cause that message about the sensors to be displayed. The "fix" option isn't actually doing anything other than giving you the chance to re-program the zone (assuming you have the wrong MAC/serial number or loop number programmed). The new firmware (which will be available once you are activated for service) may improve the SiX Series signaling to those two sensors but if it is just a range or RF interference issues, the new firmware may not fix anything. Are the sensors installed on metal windows/doors or frames? If you remove the sensors from their mounting location, do they fault/restore reliably when testing them in the same room but just in your hands?
It's greyed out. Probably because I have not set up monitoring yet? What does "fix" mean (four msgs up)?
If you press Security > Tools and enter Installer Code, do you have an Update Firmware button that you can press?
01.02.06243.471
Are you running the latest firmware version of the panel. If you press Security > Tools > enter Master Code > Advanced > System Information, what Rev. are you showing?
Yes, we offer it on this page and you can order online when you are ready.
Thanks! Any idea where I could get lyric cheap?
Have you watched the video series at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqc_uNGw_fA&list=PL5jRrn_Y1aOUeJL6GvkrEeOSWzmtrOGOq that details how to use the 5800C2W to turn a wired zone into a wireless input for a Honeywell all-in-one wireless system? If not, I suggest you take a look to get a better idea of what's involved. Feel free to email support@alarmgrid.com with any follow up questions.
Different rooms. One is bedroom; the other is Master Bath. They both are stubborn and don't want to restore. They alternate between one bar (green) or all red bars. I have been bypassing them. When exiting the Programming/Zones screen I get a msg that says something like "one or more sensors have insufficient signal strength" and then I am given the option to "fix" or "exit". I have tried clicking on Fix multiple times. Not sure if Fix actually tries to increase signal strength or if its just asking for confirmation that the Installer (me in this case) is acknowledging that it is fixed.
Awesome I am going take over my wired ADT sensors with 5800c2w. It's not too hard a process right?
If you have a 3rd generation Apple TV and have it properly connected to the Lyric you can arm/disarm remotely. It's not as advanced as the paid Total Connect 2.0 offering but it does allow for remote system control and some basic alerts.
If you have Apple TV then even outside the house. I ask because alarm grid charges extra for remote arm/disarm. So this is a win win feature. If I use the 5800cdw it won't affect things right?
You can arm/disarm the system through the HomeKit integration as long as you are either home on the same WIFI as the system or as long as you have a HomeKit hub (3rd gen Apple TV or iPad) connected to the Lyric.
Are they both in the same room or different rooms? Do the sensors fault/restore as expected anywhere in their respective rooms?
Do you know if "arm my house" "disarm my house" is a option with HomeKit? Thanks!!! I will buy
We have a Lyric panel running an un-released version of the panel firmware that does offer the HomeKit integration so I would say that's as much of a guarantee as we can provide (being that we aren't Honeywell ourselves) that the Homekit integration is coming and won't require a new Lyric system once released.
Two. Both upstairs and furthest from the unit. We have a 2600 sq ft home. No, system is not currently monitored. I have emailed you separately regarding questions about monitoring.
The sensors talk directly to the Lyric controller so no WIFI extender would help. How many sensors are giving you the supervision troubles and is your system currently monitored?
But homekit is gauranteed to come out at some point in the near future? Because chamberlain promised and didn't deliver because they need some special sauce apple chip. I hope you have the hardware requirements covered before making the promise? It's an expensive panel.
My window SiX sensors that are furthest away from the controller have been throwing faults (supervisor, etc.) due to a weak signal. Will a wi-fi extender such as the LinkSys Max-Stream AC-9100 cure this? Moving the controller is not an option (it is near my front door).
If you enter programming mode and hit the Communicator option, you should be able to toggle the Communication Path to None and then save to avoid the 950 Comm Failure trouble until you are ready to activate monitoring service. Just so you are aware, we offer no-contract plans online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring if/when you are ready.
We set up a Lyric for just a local alarm at this time with no monitoring. How do you get rid of the 950 Comm Failure message?
Adding an FF345 (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/encore-ff345 ) next to one of the Nest smokes would allow you to monitor the Nest alarms via the Lyric system. We would encourage you to consider using us for monitoring as we are experts on the Lyric and offer low-cost, no-contract monitoring online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring.
Yes, they all go off at the same time and announce what room the smoke is in. I am currently using Takahashi Systems as my Monitoring service. Have used them for over 20 years with my old system (FBII). They claim that they can monitor the Lyric for me but they said a technician has to come out first. I haven't arranged the house call yet as I have lots of construction going on at my home right now.
The SiXSMOKEs would cause an audible voice alarm at the Lyric so you have the voice telling you there is a fire alarm. They don't have CO protection integrated, but you could use the new 5800COMBOs (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5800combo ) instead as the Lyric does support the older 5800 Series sensors as well. With the Nest smokes, when one goes off, do they all go off? Also, if your system monitored currently?
Sterling, thank you for the detailed response. The Nest smoke alarms are amazing . . . when cooking they warn you of smoke and the voice is so clear it sounds like a real person in the room with you. They also function as night lights and provide CO protection which I don't think the SiXSMOKES do, right?
Hi Craig, I'm sorry to hear that you were expecting to use the system with some other devices that aren't currently supported. With so many different technologies out today, it can be hard to have an exhaustive product description that details everything that is and is not supported without overwhelming someone that's looking for a new system. With that said, Honeywell is going to be releasing new IPCAMs this year as well as some new Lyric supported cameras as well so you should have better options for camera support soon. Also, just to clarify, the WAP is not required. As long as you are using supported cameras, they will integrate to your network via Ethernet or via wireless with any router that supports WPS encryption. Of course, you could also always use a separate camera system (such as the Arlo Pro you mentioned) and have it work nicely in conjunction with the alarm system without it needing to be integrated into TC2. If you get a call from the central station saying you had a motion alarm on your Lyric, you would just have to give them your false alarm password and ask them to wait a minute while you check your Arlo camera app to see if it's a real alarm event or not. As for the garage door control, while the 5877 module used for the garage door control is not supported on MyQ garage door controllers, we did hear some rumblings at ISC West about this possibly changing sometime soon. Unfortunately, we don't expect that Nest smoke detectors will ever integrate with the Lyric system but you do have the option of swapping them out with the SiXSMOKEs (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-sixsmoke ) instead. Please do email support@alarmgrid.com or call us M-F 9-9 EST if you do have any other questions about the Lyric system and which devices are compatible.
I purchased a Honeywell Lyric Security system from you. There are features that are wonderful but there are also headaches. An example of a Headache: Nowhere in the Lyric Controller manual does it indicate that only certain approved cameras work with the system. I had hoped that any camera that had an IP and MAC address could be used. Honeywell's website and documentation does not describe this limitation anywhere. Now it is too late as I already had an electrician install the main controllers and keypads in my house. Not blaming you guys but I recommend that you add some Notes to your product description for the Controller on your site. One of the decision points (e.g., decision to Buy) for me was the looks of the Controller. It is attractive and does not look like it was made in 1988 like so many other alarm panels do. The Honeywell IPCAMs however, are Fugly and dated looking, require a Honeywell WAP and don't have the flexibility I need. I wanted to go with a NetGear Arlo Pro system but now that is Out if I want it monitored through Total Connect. I also found out after the fact that I cannot control and monitor my LiftMaster Garage Doors through the Lyric. That is a major bummer. I will have to continue to use MyQ for that. Nest Smoke Alarms (I have Three) also cannot be monitored through the system, As is typical with Manufacturer's sales propaganda they only tell you about all the wonderful things their products are capable of . . . they omit the potential negatives. I wish I had asked you guys more questions Before buying.
It will provide some of what TC2 offers now (assuming you have the right setup) as you can arm/disarm the system remotely and receive alerts. The alerts are much more generic and simply say the system was activated. They don't clarify the type of alarm (burg/fire/panic) or the zone name/number and you don't have access to the event log or user code management that TC2 provides. Also, it doesn't (at least for now) tie in with the TC2 Z-Wave home automation.
Will this integration mean we'll no longer need to rely on total connect for remote access?
We don't have any specs on that camera yet but we're hoping it's out by Q3 of this year. As for the Homekit integration, we are told it's probably a couple of weeks out still.
Do you have specs and availability on the newly announced Total Connect Outdoor Camera? Also, any word on the Homekit update for Lyric?
Yes, we have those parts available and we typically process orders within a day or 2 and you can choose the shipping speed you need during check out.
Do you have the lyric panel and SixPIR motions and remote keypads in stock for immediate shipment?
It can take awhile to download and complete. You should exit programming mode after hitting Update firmware and wait until the panel reboots before verifying it went to the newest version.
I see Update firmware as an option, but when I tap it, it just turns grayed-out. On version 01.02.06243.471
Thanks for the heads up. Waiting for this too.
We just posted a blog about the new firmware at https://www.alarmgrid.com/blog/honeywell-lyric-controller-mr3-firmware-released and it describes all the updates.
I updated to MR3 - seems to have worked. So HomeKit will be a new release of this? Anything in MR3 I need to be aware of?
Eagerly awaiting news!
It depends on the current version of your firmware. If you press Security > Tools and enter the Installer Code, do you see Update firmware as an option?
If I don't have an active monitoring subscription with anyone. Is it still possible to be able to download and update the firmware on my Lyric system, if so, how?
They did release the MR3 firmware last week but we were told the MR3.1 (which will include Homekit integration) is probably another couple of weeks away.
Yes, you will be able to pass in front of the Interior Follower motion on your way out as long as you are clear of the motion by the end of the exit delay. You can also arm the system from your SiXFOB and still leave through an entry/exit zone. You have the option to choose away or stay when arming (different buttons arm to different modes) so you can choose Arm Away or Arm Stay from the fob and you can do that if you are in the home or not. Is your system monitored as we offer no-contract plans online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring and we are experts on the Lyric system?
Failed on their statement to release in Q1. I'm not surprised. I'm sure they are working as hard like you said, but its very disappointing when companies announce specific release windows, don't deliver, and without any notice whatsoever of the delay. And this is why I have not purchased yet. And so the waiting continues...
I have the Lyric Alarm system. I have two exterior doors set up on exit delay 1 and exit delay 2. I also have motion sensors set on "interior follower" that I have to pass when exiting the house. When exiting, will these motion sensors set off an alarm, or will they provide the exit delay that I need to leave the house. (I would solve this by trial and error, but I don't want to set off an alarm and disturb the neighbors, because I have two SixSirens outside the house). 2nd question: Can I use the SixFob to set the alarm from within the house, then exit through one of the exterior doors that I have set up on exit delay? If I exit the house, then use the SixFob to set the alarm, will it set the alarm in Arm Stay, even though I have already exited the house? Thanks....
We don't recommend trying to double or triple up the wires to use longer wire than what's recommend in the installation guide.
I definitely understand. And I wouldn't use the current transformer, I would replace it with the Lyric transformer. Thanks.
I understood your question, but I wanted to clarify exactly how your existing keypad gets power as most people that do this type of conversion aren't realizing that the control panel is in between the existing system transformer and the keypad. Are you confirming that you do understand this and that the existing transformer is nearby so that you could physically make the proper connection from the keypad wire, currently terminated in the Safewatch panel, to the transformer wire (also currently terminated in the Safewatch panel)?
Well 4-wire smoke detectors are pretty complicated to setup properly on a wired system as special wiring and programming (sometimes with a relay module used as well) is required so if you only have one now, I would think it would be better to just replace it with a SiXSMOKE (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-sixsmoke ). I'm not even sure if the ESL 541CXT is listed for a VISTA-20P or 2iIP (you'd have to check with the manufacturer as they would know what panels that model is listed for) so you'd be possibly looking at replacing it with a new 2-wire or 4-wire smoke detector anyways and the SiXSMOKE isn't that much more than the wired versions.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. My question was about doubling up two higher gauge wires to emulate a lower gauge wire. I would definitely use the Lyric's transformer. But I would use 4 wires (already in the wall) from the transformer to the Lyric. 2 for positive and 2 for negative. The idea is to decrease the resistance by doubling up the wire -- and therefore accommodating a longer run (and sparing me the hassle of putting new wire in the wall). I think it would work, but I was wondering if you had ever seen it done.
Just one (or just one connected to the Alarm panel anyway).
How many existing smokes do you have?
The existing Safewatch 2000 gets power from a 2-wire connection going from a wall transformer plugged into a standard wall outlet. The existing keypad for that system, then gets power directly from the control panel itself. Therefore, you'd have to first ensure where the existing transformer that powers the Safewatch panel is in the home before even considering something like this. In nearly all cases, it's easier to just mount the Lyric in a new location that's near an outlet.
4-wire (ESL 541CXT) and connected to a Vista-20SE (Safewatch 2000).
What kind of smoke/heat detectors do you have now? Are they 2-wire or 4-wire? Are they tied into an existing alarm system?
Not what I wanted to hear, but thanks (as always) for the information. I'm trying to justify the cost of upgrading to the Lyric and having to buy new smoke/heat detectors makes the justification (from an ROI point of view) harder. I'm sure this is grasping at straws, but I recall reading that using the wired smokes with the 5800C2W is "not recommended." Does that mean it'll work, but that there is some sort of compromise? Or does it mean it doesn't work at all?
I'm in a similar situation where I may be replacing an older Vista-20SE (ADT Safewatch 2000). I want to use the wire already in the wall to go from the transformer to the Lyric. Unfortunately, the wire from the current panel (where there is a convenient outlet) to the current keypad is too light a gauge for the length of the run. However I'm pretty sure there are 6 wires available (definitely four wires). I know you can double up on wires to get the equivalent of a higher gauge. The rule I have read is that "to create the equivalent of a wire of AWG(N), you need two strands of AWG(N+3)". If that works then my four 22 gauge wires can be considered two 19 gauge (assuming I double up the wires). And I could arguably triple the wires to get the equivalent of 17 gauge. So, I'm wondering what do you think of this? Do you think this would cause any problems? [This is a repost because my earlier post was marked as spam due to an embedded link to the source of the quote above. I apologize for any potential redundancy.]
No, in fact, the panel won't let you select anything other than 'window' or 'door' for the 2 hardwired zones so you wouldn't be able to program it to act as a fire zone.
Yes, they say they are still working hard to get it released as soon as possible.
Can you please email support@alarmgrid.com requesting the manual as we'd like to keep the discussion on this page relevant to the Lyric system?
So no HomeKit update yet. Honeywell has one more week to make do good on their promise!
I realize the wired smoke detectors won't work with the 5800C2W. Will they work if they are hardwired directly to the Lyric itself using the hardwire zones?
Help!!! Please. My manual disappeared out of the cabinet and I have to install some more door/window sensors. Where can I find a detailed manual to do what I need to do? It's a vista20p First Alert I do believe.
We are happy to help Bruce and thank you for confirming that it's working now.
Thanks for the speedy followup and resolution. So happy to have such great support! Camera is now working and I'm receiving pictures. Kudos to you and team for being so responsive.
We just got a reply that your camera issue should be resolved. Can you please test and report back so we can know if it's fixed or not?
We actually reported your issues to Honeywell already Bruce and we are waiting to hear back from their team. It sounds like there may be a known issue (they alluded to something with the Lyric built-in cameras but didn't give any specifics) so we'll be in touch once we hear back from them.
yes... Reboot but no change. Will followup with the team. Did eliminate the WiFi Dropping by assigning it a fixed IP, so thanks for that. Thanks for the guidance on water leak sensor.
Bruce, have you tried rebooting the panel yet? If not, please try that and see if you are still getting the error on totalconnect2.com when clicking the wrench icon on the camera. If you do still see the error, please email support@alarmgrid.com with your TC2 log-in credentials (feel free to set the password to something temporary before sending it to us) so that we can have Honeywell take a look at your account. As for the Lyric water leak sensor, we've been told it will eventually be able to tie in with the Lyric security system but in the mean time, you can use the 5821 (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5821 ) with the FP280 (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-fp280 ) probe as the 5821 sensor works with the system now.
Looking forward to home kit compatibility for Lyric. Strange that it doesn't seem compatible with the the Honeywell Lyric water leak sensor? Bigger issue for me now is that the built-in camera doesn't work for me on the Lyric. Anyone else having similar difficulty?
Hopefully. I'll keep checking back this week and the news sites then.
We are expecting the Homekit compatibility to be released this week but Honeywell did say that may be "subject to change". The Lyric system allows Z-Wave integration and has Smart Scene setup which is slightly different than the LYNX Touch setup. However, once you connect the Lyric to Total Connect 2.0, you need to program and manage your Z-Wave scenes through TC2's Smart Scene wizard online. The Lyric won't support more advanced conditional Z-Wave logic like a SmartThings would but it does work well for more basic security/automation integration and it does have voice command capability. Depending on the complexity of the Z-Wave setup you are looking for, you may be better off doing the automation separately through the 3rd party controller and doing just the security through the Lyric. Honeywell did say they are looking at adding more advance conditional logic so perhaps with future firmware updates, the Lyric would do more of what STs does now.
Sterling, any update on the Homekit compatibility that was announced for this controller for Q1? Also how does the z-wave programability of this compare with the older Lynx Touch? Ideally I want something to replace my Lynx that has the brains of smart things or similar, has a voice component (Siri or Alexa), but yet have 1 device to manage (and the security system is that now).
We're hoping it gets released this week but they did say that is "subject to change".
I'm just waiting for this update to drop before I make my switch to Alarmgrid and buy my hardware. I know they said they promised it by the end of March, but other companies have promised HomeKit firmware upgrade support on existing products before and did not deliver. I'm looking at you Chamberlain.
A wireless range extender would not extend the range of a Lyric system to SiX devices as there is no repeater option for those devices currently.
Yes, you can integrate TCC thermostats into a TC2 account that has the automation feature when using an iOS device.
I use the 5800 series sensors on my Vista21iP+Tuxedo Touch system through the high security 5800 transceiver connected to the panel. Yes, you can use the 5800 repeater to expand the sensor network service area, or potentially, you could purchase an amplified antenna set on the 5800 connections to reach potentially far beyond the 400' distance. Though latency overall will be the limiting factor regardless of transmission power. I would figure that this is a slim possibility for what the Honeywell trainer was referring to though as the Lyric controller does not seem to have appropriate connections for this application. The other more probable alternative to boosting range is a Wireless Range extender that is SSID independent (just repeats all wireless communications it sees).
Total Connect Comfort thermostats can already be controlled through TC2.0 on iOS. TC2.0 Beta is currently running in security phase for Android with full release expected by the end of 2017.
Yes, it's just confusing naming convention but that is the recommended method to arm to "instant" mode per the Lyric user guide.
There are wireless remote keypads for this system, just as there are for a wired system. I would suggest mounting keypads near doors, and putting the system somewhere away from the doors, if you're worried about the type of scenario you mentioned. Also, the panel has logic to help with this too, it's called Advanced Protection Logic, and we enable it on all our systems/plans where central station monitoring is enabled, and the panel supports it.
great looking system.... but am I the only one concerned that the cellular "controller" and the brains of this unit is right behind the keypad? If the keypad is a couple of feet from the door, who is to say that a burglar wont just bash the keypad with a baseball bat making it useless or just dropping it in water.... I think that security aspect of the older security systems was great- the brains of the security system is in a metal box hidden somewhere in the home and your keypad is just a keypad.
I tried that but it still calls it Arm Away. Is that just a trivial naming convention? Because it does function as stay-instant.
Okay, that all makes sense then. You can arm to a "stay-instant" mode by hitting Arm Custom, selecting all the zones you want active (excluding any motions you want off) and tapping the Arm Custom option at the bottom right of that zone selection screen and finally making sure the Entry Delay selection is not highlighted blue before you enter the arming code. Once you arm this way once, you won't have to re-select the zones next time you go through the process.
Yes they were and it was visible. I just disconnected and connected to separate zones. The only hard part was tracing the wire through the rats nest my builders left in the alarm panel. I am a little disappointed that the Lyric doesn't have a Stay-Instant option.
Were they both run in series on one zone previously? If so, is the splice for the series connection visible at the wire terminations for the old panel?
I found out the issue with a little more googling. The tamper switch on the 5800C2W wasn't installed. Once i installed that then it was good to go. Just have to figure out how to separate my front door and garage door sensors.
It may be that the system is not compatible with that device or that the system only supports from of the features of that device as Honeywell system's don't work with Z-Wave "sensors" (door/window contacts, motions, temperature sensors, etc) and only work with Z-Wave "control" device (lights, locks, thermostats, etc).
What 'Service' do you have selected on the zone programming page for the door sensor in question?
Hi, just wondering about using Smart Scene's with Zwave devices. The Lyric controller seems to be limited in what devices it can see. ie. i'm trying to use it to set a Homeseer HSM200, however all it does is see it as a on/off light in Other devices. It doesn't even show up in the list of devices in the Smart Scenes I can set an action to. any ideas?
I'm having an issue where my door is seen as tamper instead of open. Once it faults it stays faulted. I'm not sure what the issue is. Can anyone help
Yes, it's possible to have it send out email alerts but you need to be subscribed to Total Connect 2.0 service through an AlarmNet provide. We offer that service through our no-contract plans available at https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring
Is it possible to setup the Lyric Controller to send out email alerts on status? the programming guide mentions the "Remote Access serial" and "Multi mode serial" in the programming but they are both disabled
The Lyric Controller can control Z-Wave receptacles or appliance modules. Hypothetically you can plug in LED strips to one of these. Not sure about RGB spectrum.
Will it manage RGB spectrum on LED bulbs or strips?
We would recommend you contact the company you purchased the Lyric from for further technical support. You could, of course, also continue to use all of the free resources we have posted on our site. Also, if you sign up for one of our no-contract monitoring plans available at https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring, we would be happy to continue to provide you free technical support.
Thank you! I switched it "none" (where it was on WiFi, as I connected it to my home WiFi I thought it needed to be set that way.) But the contacts do not sound when a door or windows is opened when the system is not armed. Any thoughts?
The comm error should not affect your ability to arm/disarm. However you can simply go into the installer programming menu and disable the communication path: Security > Tools > Installer Code > Program > Communicator > Toggle comm path to none and save. Do you possibly have any faulted zones besides the comm trouble? A zone being seen as open (aka faulted) would affect your ability to arm the system.
Sterling, watched all of your videos and installed my new Lyric system and SIX window/door sensors - thank you for the guidance! However, I am unable to arm the system and get around the "950 Comm Error" message. I do not wish to monitor the system at this time and just want to use it as a self-monitored system that chimes when the sensors are triggered. You mentioned that this is an option with the Lyric system in your video - any advice on how to get around the Comm Error and arm my system? Thank you.
The only possible hiccup would be the lack of support for wired life safety devices like wired smokes, heats and CO detectors. Beyond that you should not have any issues.
The 5800C2W does work with the Lyric. We would recommend watching the 5800C2W video series at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqc_uNGw_fA&list=PL5jRrn_Y1aOUeJL6GvkrEeOSWzmtrOGOq as the process will be nearly identical on the Lyric.
I have wired door sensors and window sensors and I'm attempting to switch to a Lyric system and I'm aware I need a Honeywell 5800C2W but I wanted to see if there would be any issues I would hit with switching the system out.
No, unfortunately there's no way to control the brightness of the home and panic keys as they are designed to illuminate in the dark so you can set off a panic or wake up the panel in the event of an emergency.
is there anyway to lower the brightness for home key and panic key on the control panel. i see in your video its that bright, for me it too bright and the way panel is installed someone from outside can see if my alarm is armed or not by looking at the panel.
No, unfortunately, we don't price match. We can monitor a system you purchase elsewhere though. Just make sure that the other company doesn't activate your Lyric system or use 'Lyric Lock' on your system if you do purchase elsewhere and plan to activate with us.
Do you price match competing online stores on the lyric products?
We haven't heard more than that announcement so far so we are hoping the Homekit integration will be here by the end of March.
Here's the announement: http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/01/05/honeywell-embraces-apple-homekit-with-lyric-home-security-and-control-system
Any word on those in the know about Honeywell's firmware update to Lyric so it supports Apple HomeKit and Siri? I read they announced availability as 1Q 2017 at CES this year.
There is a backlight timeout setting you can set to 30 seconds. That way it will turn off after 30 seconds without any button presses. Go to Security > More > Tools > Enter Installer Code (4112 by default) > Program > System Settings.
How do I turn the screen off on the lyric controller?
You could try deleting the zone and re-enrolling but from what you've said, it sounds like you may need to just re-locate the device.
Only the round Lyric thermostats can be integrated into the Lyric system (via a Total Connect 2.0 account) at this time. We do except the square thermostats to eventually be integrated as well but we don't have an expected date for that integration.
Hi: I'm planning to upgrade an old wired Ademco Vista 4110XM to a Lyric ecosystem adding a 5800C2W to convert each wired zone to zwave, a Lyric Controller and a Lyric Thermostat. My question is....Can I integrate any of the Lyric Thermostats (T5, T6 Pro or the Round one) to the Lyric Controller? I was checking documentation but only appear that can connect to the Lyric App, but nothing about the integration with the Lyric Controller.
It's the RF Supervision error (can't remember the exact error code # the panel is throwing, and TC doesn't give me the error # to check remotely). It was in place for a month with no issues, then started giving issues every few days. I took it off the ceiling and put it next to the panel, and it worked fine, so it appears to be some sort of distance/interference issue. There isn't really a better place for it than where I had it, so I was hoping that zone order would be the solution.
We were actually told to do that when the Lyric was still in Beta but with recent firmware updates, that requirement is no longer needed. What trouble alert are you getting on the SiXSIREN?
How important is adding zones starting with the furthest away? I'm having issues with a siren that seems to be distance/interference related (only about 50ft away, on the second story of a 2 story 3000sq ft house), and the panel was not set up with the furthest zone first (actually the opposite, the furthest ones are the later zones). If it is part of my problem, what would I need to do reconcile this? Can I just swap the item at zone 3 with the one that's furthest away? or would I need to remove everything and reprogram the zones from scratch?
Okay, well the latest firmware (which should be loaded on any panel you buy from us here on out) should allow for panel and sensor firmware updates as long as you have an active WIFI connection.
i don't have the panel yet but was thinking on getting the system. i don't think i want it monitored with total connect thats why i was wondering if i ever have to upgrade the firmware or any reason.
You can upgrade the firmware without a Total Connect plan. Depending on the current panel firmware version, you may need to have an active central station account to be able to upgrade the panel firmware though. Are you monitored now and do you know the current firmware version of your Lyric system?
It sounds like there was just some mis-communication of how the SiX Series sensors work. As they do operate on the 2.4 Ghz frequency range (but on a proprietary RF technology different than regular WIFI signaling), someone must have just mis-understood how it works. At this time, there is no option to extend the range of a SiX Series device but using a 5800 Series device and a repeater (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5800rp ), you could get up to 400' away from the panel as 5800 Series devices can work up to 200' away and with the repeater, you could theoretically double that range. Anything beyond that would require another solution (wired or hybrid system instead).
can i upgrade the firmware for the panel or sensors without having to have total connect? if i am just on wifi network ? or does it require for me to have total connect account?
I do in fact have the trainers name but not sure I want to disclose it on an open forum. The question came up as a friend of mine who installs Honeywell systems, primarily pre-Lyric models, is not typically familiar with wifi systems and general networking technologies so he asked me if I would have a discussion with Honeywell regarding options for extending range. The building he is attempting to secure is very large (estimated at 8 to 10,000 sqFt) My friend initially spoke to the trainer and heard that if there was a wireless network in place that the sensor range could be increased utilizing the building network as a communication medium. My initial thought not understanding the make up of the SIX Series sensor was that they could be programmed to communicate with the wireless network to the main console via its own encryption protocol across the network. When I spoke to the trainer and asked him to elaborate he informed me that this was the case. however it was not necessary or even possible to program the sensor. I then asked how does the sensor module communicate with the encrypted wireless network and the response it just does. This didn't make sense to me so I figured I would play devils advocate and test but of course the result was not successful. We did in addition attempt to test with 5800 sensors and repeater but this provided little benefit. My suspicion was basically what you disclosed above. Are you aware if Honeywell is looking at enhancing range options in the not too distant future? I am not sure if this is the arena to ask but are you familiar with other products (wireless) that can provide a similar feature set ? Thanks for clarifying.. TT
Do you know the name of the Honeywell trainer you spoke with? What exactly did the trainer say? The SiX Series sensors do not communicate through a location's WIFI network and only communicate directly to the Lyric panel in which they are enrolled.
I recently had the opportunity to speak to a Honeywell trainer regarding the Lyric system and was led to believe that the distance/range modules to the control panel would be increased if the main unit was attached to a wireless 2.4GHz Wifi building Network. The idea that was conveyed that the system sensors would communicate through the wifi network back to the main controller. Since being told this I did some testing and I do not believe this is true. I ran a distance test from main control panel to sensor with no connection to the building Wifi and then again connected to the building wifi. I have not seen any difference/increase in range. Even though the wifi signal encompasses the entire building. This leads me to believe that the sensors may communicate utilizing a wifi signal but only direct from the sensor to the control unit and not through the already in place wireless network. Can someone please confirm this? Thanks! TT
Have you tried moving the 5800C2W closer and testing with just a resistor strapped across the zone terminals? Removing one leg of the resistor would simulate a zone fault. I'd be curious to hear if the delays change at all.
No, the wireless sensors are perfectly fine and consistent.
We haven't heard of any delays on wired sensors going through a 5800C2W activating a Lyric system. Are you seeing any delays in activations from any of the wireless sensors that don't go through the 5800C2W?
I have completed my Lyric system install and also utilized my existing pre-wired contacts and motion sensors using a 5800C2W. While the system is operational, I do observe a variable delay (0-3s) when triggered on the zones that are connected the 5800C2W and the other wireless zones are reposting instantly and consistently. The 5800C2W unit is mounted closely to the Lyric and I don't believe it is an reception issue. Is this a common problem? Anything I can do to troubleshoot this? Thanks
Unfortunately not. You will have to replace them with the LKP500: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lkp500. Another option would be install the SiXSIREN: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-sixsiren. This is a wireless siren that is capable of chiming when zones are opened.
OK Frank, I'm checking a new transformer right now and I'll get back with you if I need to order one ..
Tony, The first thing I would check is the transformer. Do you have a meter? If not I recommend picking one up from your local hardware store. Plug in your transformer and confirm you are getting 9 volts. Be sure to have the meter set on DC. It is possible that he just cooked the transformer and not the panel depending on how he wired it. Report back after this. Otherwise you can just order a new panel from us today before 3PM and select overnight shipping.
Hey Sterling..I have an issue that I need to fix asap..We bought a new home and for efficiency sake had a guy install the the Lyric we bought from you..Order R321616154 Anyway, He did something to the controller and now it won't work at ALL! My guess is that he crossed the power wires as I thought .i smelled it..Anyway, its fried and we Ned it up and running by Friday..Is there a fuse that would have burned out if he did that? I sure hope Honeywell was smart enough to design one in so it could be repaired later. It's still under warranty but I'm guessing that's out and I need it now..I think I have two options.Buy another from you and pay for overnight shipping or take it to the local electronic repair who are great. Can it be repaired if he switch the ground and power and cooked it for a second? If not, I need to buy one and reuse my Verizon card. I also would need to add 3 glass breaks and 15 door contacts..Help! You can email me the price and info to my email on file..We are going out of town on sat am and the alarm is KEY!
Here are the compatible cameras with the Lyric Controller: https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/security-cameras/brands/honeywell.
Can you tell me what cameras (indoor and outdoors) are compatible with the Honeywell Lyric Controller (LCP500-L/LCP500-LC in front of the user manual). We are currently using doors and windows Sensors only and would like to add video. Thanks
Only 4 digit codes will sync with the Lyric panel since it only supports 4 digit user codes. I believe you can still setup local 6 or 8 digit codes but they just will not sync up with the system.
I recently installed Schlage Connect Smart Locks on my exterior doors and the access codes on the locks can be up to 8 digits. WIll Lyric work with the longer lock codes and not just a 4 digit code? I'd rather have the security of at least a 6 digit code. Thanks!
You can't make 2 Lyric Controllers behave as if they are a single system, if that's what you're asking. You can get the "MyHome Controller" app and with it on your smart device, as long as you're on the same WIFI network the Lyric is connected to, you can control the system from the smart device, as if it were a 2nd touchscreen keypad. There is also the LKP500 Lyric Keypad, which you can install as a 2nd point of control, though it's not a touchscreen, in the same sense the Lyric is. If you want to control the system from anywhere, even remotely, there's always Total Connect 2.0.
Can you use (2) Lyric Controllers together?
The new SiX Series sensors operate on the 2.4Ghz frequency and tout a longer range (300' compared to 200' for the original 5800 Series sensors). With a steel/brick building of that size, you may still not get good range throughout the property though. There is a repeater (5800RP - https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5800rp ) available for the 5800 Series sensors but there is no repeater for the SiX Series sensors. Did you ever try a repeater when you had the L7000 installed?
I have had issues in the past in steel/brick buildings with wireless door sensors failing to communicate with the Lynx 7000 Alarm Controller. Is it expected that the new series of sensor can communicate any better? Are they going to operate like a repeater, similar to a Z-Wave device? We are building a new 8000 sq. ft. commercial facility, and I would like to stay with Honeywell security, I just need to get past that hurdle. Thanks
Hey Mike. We are going to make the Lyric Gateway available in the next few days. It will be at the URL https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lyric-gateway when it is ready.
Are you going to offer the new Lyric Gateway? If so, when will it be available? Thank you.
You can use the SiXSIREN (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-sixsiren ) which is a wireless siren designed for the Lyric.
Is there a way to hook up a external loud siren with the Lyric. I see that the 5800rl is not compatible. Is there another relay module that is compatible.
As you can have false alarms with smoke detectors due to dust or smoke getting into the sensing chamber when it's not a real fire, the Fire with Verification option ignores the very first trip of the smoke alarm and only sends the alarm to the system if a second smoke alarm is triggered right after. As heat detectors are nearly false alarm proof, the system doesn't offer the verification option on the heat detector zone as it's not required.
The SiX series smoke detectors are finally available. Each has a smoke output and a heat output, which must be programmed as separate zones. I have the option of programming my Lyric Controller so that the smoke output is set to "Fire with Verification" or "Fire No Verification". What's the difference? The heat output only provides Fire No Verification.
Yes, the Lyric is compatible with the older 5800 Series sensors and the newer SiX Series sensors. The only devices that work with the L5210 that aren't supported on the Lyric are the wireless 5828 and 5828V keypads, the wireless 5800WAVE siren and the wireless 5800RL relay module. The Lyric does support wireless LKP500 keypads and SiXSIREN wireless sirens though. Also, depending on what alarm communicators you have installed in your L5210, you may have to upgrade those as well. The Lyric has a built-in WIFI module so that won't need replacing but if you have cellular, you will need to get a Lyric-3G or Lyric-CDMA as the existing L5210 cellular module isn't supported by the Lyric.
Hi, I recently installed the Lynx 5210 system. Will the new Lyric work with the old Lynx Touch sensors installed in my house? Could I simply just buy the new control center? Or will I have to replace everything to upgrade?
Generally speaking, Alarm.com is quicker to integrate with third party platforms such Amazon Alexa devices, Nest thermostat, Lutron Lights, MyQ garage doors. However AlarmNet (Honeywell's server that hosts TC) is opening up to third party integration with devices like the August lock, SkyBell HD Video Doorbell, and WiFi TC comfort thermostats. All in all, if you're looking to integrate other major tech devices Alarm.com is currently winning this battle. They both very reliable platforms.
Any difference between alarm.com or Total connect in terms of a better platform? Which one is better at integrating with other major partners?
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Outstanding. Thanks for all of your help. I will be a DIY so I hope I don't run into too many snags.
We're not sure why the Honeywell specs are more limited but we have been told by them to make sure not to exceed the specs. It could be the difference in voltage as the 2Gig uses a 14V transformer while the Lyric uses a 9V transformer. You could always run a new wire from the panel to an outlet within the listed distances if you want the Lyric. There some tricks you can do with snaking the wire around the side of the AC receptacle and replacing the plate with a Midway (larger plate) to hide the notch in the sheetrock. Always turn off your breaker on that circuit when working this closely with live power.
The power requirements for the Lyric are much more limited than for their competitor, the 2GIG GC3 panel. The documentation for 2GIG GC3 says 18 gauge wire can be used for up to 125 feet, while 22 gauge can be used for 50 feet. The Lyric installation guide says 18 gauge is limited to 20 feet and 22 gauge is limited to 8 feet. I wonder why such a dramatic difference. I had pre-wired for panel locations in my home during construction, but if I go with the Lyric panel, I will not be able to use that wire.
The choice of the communicator you use for your Lyric (AT&T or Verizon), has nothing to do with your personal cell phone service as the communicator has its own SIM card and the company you sign up with will activate and pay for the SIM. You just have to choose the one that has good reception in your area. If you have both services now and they both work in the home, either communicator should work for you.
Thanks for the information. I have one last question, we have 2 different cell phone providers, Verizon & AT&T. If we select the Verizon, does this mean we can't access the camera or other features from our AT&T cell phone? Our home service is AT&T DSL. Just needing to know about compatibility.
Thanks for the information. I have one last question, we have 2 different cell phone providers, Verizon & AT&T. If we select the Verizon, does this mean we can't access the camera or other features from our AT&T cell phone? Our home service is AT&T DSL. Just needing to know about compatibility.
The Lyric has encrypted wireless sensors (the new Honeywell SiX Series sensors) that are available now and has a built-in WIFI module. The 2Gig GC3 is expected to have the encrypted sensors at some point but so far we have no word on when that will be from 2Gig. Also, the GC3's WIFI board is in the panel but the firmware that would make it usable hasn't been released yet. Another big difference is that the Lyric uses Total Connect 2.0 service for remote arming/disarming and alerts while the 2Gig systems use Alarm.com service instead.
If you enter programming and disable the 'Communication Path' setting on the 'Communicator' page of programming, it should get rid of the communication failure trouble.
Yes, we offer shipping to Canada.
What are the pros & cons for the Lyric & for the Go Control? I am down to one of these security systems. Thanks
If you are using this system without monitoring, how can you get the comm failure message to go away?
Do you guys ship to Canada?
The 5800C2W (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5800c2w ) module allows you to connect wired zones and have them become wireless zones that can be programmed to the Lyric. Each 5800C2W supports up to 9 wired zones and you can use more than one module. We have a nice video series at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqc_uNGw_fA&list=PL5jRrn_Y1aOUeJL6GvkrEeOSWzmtrOGOq that shows how the module works. It's a video with the LYNX Touch panel but it's the same process on the Lyric.
I'm moving into a new house that has pre-wired for sensors (all wiring goes to basement panel. What is required to use the Lyric controller (located on main floor) with wired sensors?
The panel does have a feature that can make the touchscreen go dark after 30 seconds of inactivity. It's the Backlight Timeout feature in the System Settings section of the panel programming. Underneath the touchscreen, the Home icon does also change from green to red when armed. This would still be visible even when the touchscreen times out.
Does the display stay on at all times or can it be turned off manually or after some inactivity? The location in my install would be visible through a window. I don't want it to be obvious when the system is not armed. Are there any LEDs that indicate armed state aside from the display?
Per Honeywell, 5 years with typical use on both. They will give you a low battery warning, usually about a month before they go dead, to give you time to replace them.
Approximately how long does the battery last in a Lyric SiXCT door sensor or SiXPIR motion sensor? Do they give you an alert through the Lyric when they are getting low?
Good plan - thank you very much.
The LYNX and Lyric are both all-in-one wireless systems that woudl require the 5800C2W module to convert the existing wired zones into wireless zones. It sounds like you prefer to just put in a new green circuit board (the VISTA-20P or VISTA-21iP) to replace your existing older model VISTA panel. I would suggest you email support@alarmgrid.com with your wants/needs as this is now getting off topic from the Lyric panel on this page.
That requires also an adapter for all the wireless zones, correct? And in that case I also need two new panels (which I might need anyway), correct? If I upgrade my current panels I think the 6160 appears to be a nice solution; what panel would be needed for the LYNX? Did I read correctly that I also need an adapter to drive the internal siren but not the external bell? (That seems odd.....) Essentially I'm asking for a list of items that need to be ordered if I upgrade. (I'll then look up individual prices to see what the cost of the upgrade is.) I do appreciate the guidance.....
I wasn't suggesting adding wireless zones. I was suggesting using your existing wiring and wired devices with a new easier to use interface (the LYNX Touch or Lyric).
I have no desired to add wireless. All current sensor are fully hidden as we installed the current system as the house was built. I see no need to start adding visible elements. So I need to see what keypad model I have to ensure they are still compatible. Once I get that info I'll want to know if there are any limitations.
You could swap out to a VISTA-20P (or a VISTA-21iP which is a 20P with a built-in IP communicator) and you'd just have to map the wires over terminal-by-terminal any then program the new system (using an alphanumeric keypad) to match the existing zone list. Another option is to upgrade to a LYNX Touch L7000 using the 5800C2W to convert your existing wired zones into wireless zones supported by the L7000. Our LYNX-EXT kit would allow you to integrate in your wired sirens (not available with the Lyric).
The current system is 20 years old. It indicates that it was made by ADEMCO and is model VISTA-20HW. There are currently 8 zones and the outside bell has served well for informal monitoring. We do not plan to pay for remote monitoring by a service at this time - but that could change. (When the alarm sounds we always hear from neighbors, checking on us.) I have wondered about a few more zones - there are a couple of zones that include more items than I prefer.
Are you planning to have the system monitored? How many current zones are programmed to the current system and what is the model number of the current system?
I used the chat feature on the Alarm Grid site earlier. We’ve an existing system but the controller is showing its age. The house is fully wired – 17 wired sensors. We’ve a siren inside the house and an alarm bell outside the house. I do not know their current loading. We do not connect to fire or other detectors – just intrusion. Seems the 20P plus two 6160 pads would work well depending on bell current draw. What I don’t know is what I don’t know to ask, or what information I might be missing.
We do sell the VISTA-20P. Do you have an existing alarm system now or just pre-wiring in the home?
I likely misread the original post. In reviewing the options it looks like the Honeywell Vista-20P would be a good fit for us. We see no need for wireless.......
No, the Lyric is an "all-in-one" system meaning the touchscreen unit is the keypad and control panel in one device. You can't interface two different alarm systems in one so you can't use the Lyric system with a VISTA-20P system.
Does Lyric works with vista 20p (with software version 9.18)?
Yes, that does refer to power as that was what Channing Manica was asking about. Did you have a separate question about what sensors work with the Lyric?
That seems to refer only to the power, not the sensors.
The Lyric has the Advanced Protection Logic (APL) feature that protects from an intrusion where the intruder would destroy the panel during the entry delay so that an alarm would still be sent to the central station so you don't need to "hide" the panel away from the main entry points but you can certainly choose to put the main panel in the bedroom if you'd like.
in a two floor house with bedrooms on the second floor, does it make more sense to install the LCP500 on the second floor outside the bedrooms and a secondary LKP500 on the first floor where we enter? or vice versa?
The 5800MICRA are more popular for windows due to their slim depth. Generally windows do not have the depth required for the 5818MNL since the drillable, non-glass area is not as deep as the magnet. If you do use the MICRA you will need to use a Forstner bit to drill out the wider area with a flat bottom. If you are OK with surface motion options the 5820L is the best option for windows. The skinny width allows them to fit just about any window, including double hung...
ben, thanks for the suggestion. i see 5818MNL is for door OR window. are they suitable for recessed install on a vinyl double hung window in your experience? do you have any experience installing the 5800MICRA by comparison in a vinyl window application?
It depends on the gauge of wire and length of your run. See the details on page 10 of the install guide. https://www.alarmgrid.com/documents/honeywell-lyric-install-guide
If i were to replace an existing security system that was pre-wired when the house was built, Could I use wire that was powering the old system to power the Lyric?
If you are looking for window coverage without the surface mount sensors, you might look at a glassbreak sensor. https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5853 These either go on the wall opposite the windows, or on the ceiling in the middle of the room. these cover a SINGLE room, so don't expect to put it in the hallway and pick up your bedrooms... this is a sensor that listens to the sound of breaking glass, and it's active for both arm stay and away... this is a "perimeter" style sensor, so if it goes off, the alarm goes off. for your exterior doors, get something like https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5818mnl these are my favorite door sensor, and runs on a AAA battery :D sincerely, ex-Honeywell system installer
It's true that Encryption is a selling point of the Lyric, but the 2GIG GC3 doesn't offer any encrypted sensors at this point, and we have no idea when it will. It also doesn't support WIFI communication to central station at this point. With the Lyric, you can use the Encrypted sensors that you find aesthetically pleasing, and use the older style 5800 series devices in areas where the SIX series are not. The SIXGB is actually nicer looking than the older style 5800 series glass break, in my opinion, and the SIXSmokes, though, they're a little late to the party and are due out in the very near future, are far superior to the 5808W3's in that they can be interconnected so that if one sounds, they all sound.
Yes, if you are using a cellular communicator and want central station service with Total Connect 2.0 service, the Gold plan would be the right choice. It does include the ability to have the system send you a picture from the built-in camera when the system is disarmed. That feature does require an active WIFI connection at the panel though.
So the Gold Level monitoring would work with the Lyric and send the arm/disarm pictures taken from the panel to our cell phones?
Thanks Frank and Sterling for the suggestions. Seems one of the selling points of Lyric is encryption and bidirectional communication with the panel, so not using a six series sensor doesn't feel like it makes a whole lot of sense - with this panel anyway. Unless I'm misunderstanding? I suppose I could eventually swap them out (throwing away some $) if/when they come out. Or does 2gig have a better solution?
I recommend checking out the 5820L as well. The 5811 is the slimmest in depth but the 5820L is the slimmest in width. This makes it great for windows where you may not have much room to play with for surface mounting.
At this time there is no SiX Series recessed sensor or smaller SiX Series surface mount sensor but you can use any of the 5800 Series wireless Honeywell sensors with the Lyric as well. The 5811 is a smaller nicer looking surface mount sensor and the 5800MICRA is a recessed sensor for a window.
I am working on spec'ing a new security / automation system for our new home. My first time doing so. So trying to wrap my head around the myriad options in terms of control panel options, sensors etc. Our system will be centrally monitored. It seems like this panel and the 2gig gc3 are two options. One thing we noticed straight away is the surface mount contact sensors appear to very clunky looking. And with many many windows on our first floor are concerned the install would look ridiculous with the window contacts everywhere. We'll have motion as well but want the contacts for when we're home. Is there a six series wireless recessed window sensor? Recommendations along these lines?
Yes. Any 5800 series sensor will communicate with the Lyric.
Does the 5818MNL in door sensor communicate with this panel? If not do they make a door sensor that fit inside door? Thanks!
Thanks! I don't have any older keypads or sirens.
Okay, then you should be good with just the new Lyric controller. All of your wireless sensors will enroll to the Lyric and it has a built-in WIFI and ZWAVE module. If you have any wireless keypads or sirens not, they will need to be replaced with SiX versions instead.
It looks like it must be pretty short, as the transformer is directly adjacent to the panel.
Depending on how far the wire run is between your LYNX-R and the outlet for the power supply, you may need to run a new wire as the Lyric has strict length/gauge limits. How far is your current run?
Do I need anything else to install this, if I am replacing an existing older LYNXR panel?
Yes, the Lyric is compatible with the 5800C2W module.
Will this work with wired sensors connected through the Honeywell 5800C2W converter? Thanks
You could get the Gold plan for central station and Total Connect 2.0 service using the cellular module. The Platinum plan would only be needed if you want to access Honeywell IPCAMs from your TC2 account.
thanks. does it mean I have to get a platinum service (that includes Total Connect 2.0) to get it working (i.e. with cellular and a central station monitoring)?
No, it works with Honeywell's Total Connect 2.0 service.
is it supported by alarm.com? if no, what is the backing service provider?
Thanks. The app info is important because it looks like, at least at this point, that the Total Connect 2 is more stable and better designed.
Well the Lyric Controller is firmware upgradeable so yes there are firmware updates available, fairly regularly. With that said, the cellular communicator is a module that slides into the side of the panel. Right now, there is just a Verizon CDMA and AT&T 3G. I imagine they will release an LTE version at some point which can be swapped in. So the Lyric runs on the same TC 2.0 app for remote access and alerts. There is a unique local app (when on local WIFI network) called "my home controller." This is designed for tablets used as keypads for the most part. However you will be using Total Connect 2.0 most of the time with your iOS an droid phones.
Two quick questions, will it be possible to upgrade the Lyric when 3g fades away and LTE is the norm? And do the Lyric iOS and Android apps offer the same alarm system control as the Total Connect app? Thanks
No, the Lyric doesn't work with a wired siren. You'd have to use the wireless SiXSIREN if you want extra sirens for the system.
Can the Lyric use a WAVE2 wired siren, or just wireless?
The Lyric has a built-in Z-Wave controller making it compatible with nearly any Z-Wave thermostats but as far as we know, there are no plans to unlock support for other brands WIFI thermostats.
Thanks for the reply. Do you have any insight as to what system restricts the Ecobee from being compatible? Being that the Lyric wifi thermostat will work, are there any future plans to unlock outside brands?
The Lyric won't integrate with the Ecboee3 thermostat unfortunately. It only works with Z-Wave thermostats and the WIFI Lyric thermostat. You could of course, continue to use the Ecobee3 app for the thermostat and still install a Lyric security system though.
I am interested in purchasing a Lyric Controller panel along with numerous home security sensors, keypads and pretty much all I need for a complete home security system. The only concern I have keeping me from pulling the trigger is my Ecobee3 thermostat. With that said, can the Lyric Control panel connect via Wifi with my Ecobee3 thermostat and incorporate it with Total Connect 2? Thanks!
We actually just added that to our site recently. Feel free to order online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/lcp500-dk.
Any update on when the desk stand might be available? Loving our Lyric, but it is still sitting on our desk :-)
Yes the Lyric Controller is compatible with any 5800 series sensor.
Can I use the sensors from my L7000 with the new panel?
The unit is supervised every 24 hours if you have a central station plan with us so if someone did disable the WIFI and cellular communications before breaking in, the local alarm would sound and we wouldn't receive anything potentially. We are talking about a pretty sophisticated intruder if they have the equipment to jam WIFI and cellular connectivity though. Also, he would have to know that you don't have a phone line as well if he was jamming WIFI and GSM, otherwise your system could have a phone connection to send the signals out. As we like to say "alarm systems aren't meant to keep James Bond out".
Then if the intruder jams both the WiFi and cellular signals in the house, all I will get is the alarm from the central office that the Lyric panel is offline. Should that be a concern?
No, the Lyric doesn't support a wired Ethernet connection.
Is it possible to hardwire the Lyric controller to the ethernet?
Thanks a lot for keeping me updated, Frank - I've just ordered it! I look forward to speaking with you later on as well :)
We now have the LCP500-DK: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/lcp500-dk. Sorry for the wait!
Hi Travis, We finally have the LCP500-DK desk mount for the Lyric Controller live on our site: https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/lcp500-dk Look forward to activating your account later this evening!
The Lyric supports 2.4GHz WIFI and Z-wave. There are no modules required. This hardware is integrated into the Lyric itself.
The Honeywell Lyric site (http://www.lyricsecuritytoolkit.com) says the Lyric includes on-board Wi-Fi or Z-Wave. Is it one or the other? Can the Lyric support both?
The picture of the LT-CABLE is out of date. It now consists of two pieces and the cabling is white. One piece has the two spade connectors for the transformer and on the other end has a female barrel plug connector. The other piece is a short wire with a red and black pig tail with soldered wire to connect to the internal screw terminals of a panel and the other end has the male barrel plug connector so that it works with nearly any system.
I kind of figured after the fact that Honeywell is expecting it to be professionally installed. Thanks for the rapid response! I'm going to head out to Lowe's to pick up wire but just for my future reference, I see the LT-CABLE is intended for the LYNX - would we just cut off the adapter end and install into the Lyric panel? Thanks again for all your help you provide us!
Unfortunately, Honeywell expects the panel to be installed by an installer who would have their own wire so it doesn't come with a wire. We offer the LT-CABLE (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lt-cable ) which you could use but you can certainly supply your own 2-conductor wire as well. Home Depot or Lowe's typically sells wire that you can have them cut to length. Make sure you don't exceed the wire length/gauge requirements spelled out in the installation guide.
I just received my Lyric and noticed it doesn't come with a wire between the Controller and transformer. Am I supposed to provide that myself or is my kit missing something?
We expect the LKP500 to be available very soon but haven't heard about the desk stand yet.
Yes, we do use Criticom as our central station partner. You can manage your billing through our account portal but contact/address updates must be provided via email or phone call at this time.
Hi Sterling, any update on the desk stand or auxiliary keypads (LKP500)? I'm going to need to buy those all as well.
You can use the AlarmNet IPCAMs available at https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/security-cameras and they would integrate into Total Connect 2.0 and you'd be able to view them from the Lyric panel as well.
So if Id like to add video that would be Platinum? Id like to have a few cameras that I can access via the app
We can ship you a Lyric and provide you with Total Connect 2.0 service with one of our self monitoring plans available online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring but we wouldn't be able to provide central station service or cellular monitoring in Europe.
Is this bad boy availible in the EU?
The easy way to know if it's compatible or not is whether or not it's listed as a Honeywell AlarmNet camera with a part number starting with 'IPCAM'. They have special firmware on those cameras that make them work with the panel. No other cameras will work.
I'm trying to get clarity on what it considers compatible; from a technical perspective. For example; vendors have mac addresses that start with a certain sequence that identifies them as a vendor. Is that what its looking for? Does it expect a certain port to be open for the video stream? If so, what port is it? I have cameras from ubiquiti that themselves aren't standards based but the controller allows you to re-stream feeds. I hope to perhaps present a different mac address or use an alternate port to trick the lyric panel into recognizing them. I am reluctant to invest in honeywell ip cameras as the value just isn't there.
Per Honewell's site, it seems that the weather won't work on the Lyric unless you have the panel active with a monitoring company. "The panel can provide either a one day or a five day local weather forecast in the U.S. and Canada as soon as the AlarmNet Communicator is active. One day forecast The one day forecast is an automatic feature available at no additional cost when an AlarmNet Communicator is actively communicating with AlarmNet’s servers. The panel fetches the forecast immediately upon boot up (if the location has been previously entered) or as soon as the Zip Code is entered/updated on the Location Screen. From there it follows a normal schedule as follows: WiFi or IP communicator - the weather updates every 4 hours during the 3, 7, 11 am/pm hours (local time) with the minutes randomized. If Wifi fails with Cellular as backup the panel continues its 4 hour weather update schedule. Cellular communication only - weather updates twice a day at 12 am/pm local time. Five day forecast The five day weather forecast is available on the panel when Information Service (Basic or Enhanced) is added to the TotalConnect 2.0 account (additional charges may apply). The location must be input into the panel by performing a TC2 Panel Sync after the location information is entered into the “location” module on the TotalConnect website or tablet app. The panel fetches the forecast immediately upon boot up (if the location has been previously configured as described above). From there it follows a normal schedule as follows: WiFi or IP communicator - the weather updates every 4 hours during the 3, 7, 11 am/pm hours (local time) with the minutes randomized. If IP fails with Cellular as backup the panel continues its 4 hour weather update schedule. Cellular communication only - weather updates twice a day according to the local times established in TotalConnect 2.0 website/app “Configure Information Services” screen (default is 8AM and Noon)."
Yes, we hope Honeywell updates their IPCAM offerings as well. During the scan, it's looking for MACs on the network of compatible IPCAMs that are connected to the same network as the panel.
No its not being monitored at this time. I found a post, i thought by you, that covered how to get the weather to display when you don't have service. It talked about how the state and country needed to be entered in a particular way. It was for an older security panel though but the steps appeared to sync with lyrics. I'll try to track down that post.
That's disappointing as honeywell IP cameras are just bad. Really bad. Any idea what its looking for during its scan? A particular mac address prefix? TCP ports? Protocols?
I'm not sure which post you are referring to, do you have a link?. Is your system being monitored currently?
Sterling I saw a previous post about getting the weather to display w/o having total connect. I followed those instructions, and oddly, now not only is the weather not being displayed but the location "button" disappeared from the home screen altogether. Any ideas whats wrong? Thnx
The Lyric only works with AlarmNet IPCAMs and you need to have the IPCAMs connected to the same network as the Lyric to view them from the Lyric touchscreen. If you are using IPCAMs, you just have to scan and the MAC of the IPCAM will be displayed if it is the proper camera on the same network as the system.
The tuxedo touch has an option to manually add camera details if not found during a scan. Is this possible on the lyric?
Yes, it's called My Home Controller.
I see that there is an android app for controlling the l5200,l5210, and l7000 directly (not totalconnet). Is there an app for Lyric Controlller
Basically, all the IP-CAM's made by Honeywell (IPCAM-PT, IPCAM-WO, IPCAM-WI, IPCAM-WI2, IPCAM-WL, and presumably the ACU) are compatible for viewing via the Lyric display.
Any of the Honeywell IPCAMs listed at https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/security-cameras/brands/honeywell are compatible.
Which wireless cameras are compatible with the Lyric systems?
Yes, the Lyric system supports Honeywell's Advanced Protection Logic (APL) which ensures an alarm is still delivered to the central station if the system is destroyed during the entry delay period. We include APL with all four of our central station plans available at the top of our sign up page - https://www.alarmgrid.com/monitoring.
Can this controller prevent a crash and smash attack?
No, the Lyric doesn't support partitions currently but we have heard that it may become available in future firmware updates. We have no ETA on that functionality though.
Thank you for all of the answers! Does the Lyric controller support multiple partitions? I'd like to be able to keep the guest house armed even though our main partition may not be. Thanks!!!!
Check out page 23 of the Lyric User Guide: https://www.alarmgrid.com/documents/honeywell-lyric-user-guide. This may help with configuring the Lyric as a secondary controller.
The Lyric does support the secondary controller feature like the Tuxedo Touch does so if that's the feature you are using to integrate with Vera on your VISTA panel, I'd imagine you could do all of what you are doing now with the Lyric.
We use motion detectors to trigger scenes. We also have all of our downstairs lights and home theater gear turn off when we put the alarm in Night-Stay mode. We enjoy the versatility of using Vera as our primary controller and its open architecture to integrate with a lot of third party systems (our security NVR, irrigation systems, blinds, etc). Do you know if the Lyric will function as a secondary controller?
We've inquired with Honeywell about when the peripheral items like the desk mount will be available and as soon as we hear back, we'll let you know.
We haven't heard of any API integration from a Lyric into another 3rd party system. How are you integrated into the Vera now?
Is there/will there be an API or any other methods of integration with other home automation products? I'm currently using Vera (zwave) for my automation controller. I currently have tight integration with Vera and my Vista 21IP. Thank you!
When will you be carrying the LCP500-DK desk stand for the Lyric Controller? I just ordered a Lyric and didn't realize that it didn't come with the stand.
There is a built in WIFI communicator that supports most 2.4GHz WIFI routers. You can also use cellular communications to avoid any interruptions with your monitoring service in the even of WIFI failures. You can choose between the Lyric-3G ( AT&T - https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lyric-3g ) and the Lyric-CDMA ( Verizon - https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-lyric-cdma ). There is no phone line option on the Lyric.
Does the Lyric come with the capability for VOIP monitoring? Or do you have to use a cellular module for monitoring?
No, the Lyric is not compatible with the bi-directional 5800 devices so it won't work with your 5828V. The LKP500 is the Lyric keypad option.
No, we still don't yet offer two-way voice. I have flagged your account so that once we do, we can let you know though.
We've fond Yale locks work better then Schlage with the LYNX Touch systems. We haven't experimented with locks enough on the Lyric to know if it will be any different. We also haven't used the August locks but you can certainly setup a Z-Wave lock to disarm the system once a valid code is entered to unlock the lock.
Is there a benefit to use one vs the other Z-wave Schlage or Yale door lock? Also with the August smart lock & keypad is there a way to disarm the system by entering the door unlock code via the keypad?
Also, will it work with my 5828V remote keypad? Thanks!
With the new Lyric controller, is your monitoring center now able to conduct two way voice monitoring like my old monitoring company?
We do have kits available now online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/browse/lyric-security-system-kits.
Are we safe to assume that we've got an official release? Will there be a package similar to the L7000 (motion sensor + 3 door contacts, etc.)?
No, it only supports Honeywell 5800 Series and SiX Series wireless sensors.
We haven't heard full details on HomeKit integration yet but we do expect it to be able to be used with a HomeKit controller.
Does the Lyric support the GE/Interlogix Crystal Wireless sensors?
So no to HomeKit?
Yes, they are very similar systems. One difference is with the Honeywell Lyric, you have the option to do your monitoring through the WIFI connection with no cellular for a reduced rate. We do always encourage cellular for anyone getting monitoring but some people like the less expensive option of doing IP only monitoring and that's not available with 2Gig/Alarm.com. Also, it's hard to argue with Honeywell's track record of reliable manufacturing but so far 2Gig has done a great job as well.
Thanks, Sterling - in terms of product features, these two systems seem to be pretty much like-for-like. My main concern is one manufacturer has years of experience with the other being fairly new to the game. Based your knowledge, what is your experience with satisfaction and longevity of reliability and support?
We expect to have it available sometime this month or next. The Lyric encrypted sensors will be released when the system is launched while the GC3 encrypted sensors aren't expected out until Q3 or Q4 of this year.
Any release date from Honeywell? Making a comparison between the 2GIG GC3 and the Lyric system and would really like to see the options available when Honeywell shows what will be included in the package
If you don't add cellular to the system, you can choose the Bronze or Silver plans. Gold or higher would be needed if you choose to add the cellular back up. We don't yet have any information on pricing for Lyric products but we'll post it online as soon as we know.
In order to use this panel and do monitoring it would have to Gold Plan or Higher? is that correct? Also do you have an estimate on the cost of the cell cards for this Panel?
We expect it to be released sometime next month.
Any updates on when this controller will be released?
The Lyric will be backward compatible with the Honeywell 5800C2W (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5800c2w ). This is a 9 wired zone translator module. Backup battery is not included. We recommend the Ultratech 1240 or 1270.
What device will allow you to connect existing wired sensors to the lyric system?
The Lyric would replace the LYNXR-1 since they are both self-contained wireless alarm systems.
Work on a LYNXR-l system?
Yes, the Lyric will work with any 5800 Series devices, including the 5818MNL (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5818mnl ) but any 5800 Series devices would not be encrypted to the Lyric.
Would this unit work with Honeywell's recessed wireless door and window transmitters, such as this the 5818MNL?
We expect it to be available by the end of March or beginning of April.
Dang...I looking to upgrade my Vista to wireless. I didn't want to pull the trigger on a L7000 kit with the Lyric so close to being released.
Because it's not available for sale yet. We're hoping it will be available by the end of March or beginning of April and then we'll remove the "discontinued" label.
Way does this show add discontinued?
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